And to anyone who still wants to defend phone videos as useful info about a system's sound: Stop insulting your own intelligence. Please.
Ron, can you please add point 5 to your observations and suggestions opening post?
And to anyone who still wants to defend phone videos as useful info about a system's sound: Stop insulting your own intelligence. Please.
Ron, can you please add point 5 to your observations and suggestions opening post?
One would hope that bigotry would not be tolerated on WBF.
Completely agree. Video listening needs a maturity and experience of listening to videos, of understanding where doubt the video and where to accept it.
The reason I prefer to stick to phones is it keeps a consistency. Adding in good recorders will add another complication.
Fremer has been using analog recorded files for ages to share with his readers. Never tried them.
I agree there will be unfair criticism.
IMHO these videos that show very little about the systems, and need too much imagination to recreate how they really sound. However the people more emotionally involved with their contents will love them, and they are part of an whole process of sharing preferences and music and should not be seen as individual universal entities. As such I they will be welcome in a forum like WBF, particularly as our hobby goes around an illusion ...
I think that the superfluous debate will go around Ked comment that listening to video needs maturity and experience, suggesting that those who do not see value on them are immature and un-experienced audiophiles and Ron skeptical OP .
You should learn to read better, or clarify, instead of starting a food fight.
The experience maturity comment was to do with experience around videos, and lack of that... recording systems you have heard, seeing what the videos lose and retain, gaining experience with the videos. I am certain many here don't have experience with videos...i myself never even looked at videos till a few months ago and then started the exercise of doing this diligently
Thanks it was exactly the point I was focusing. Pretending that by "diligent" listening work we can do a valid and useful comparison with these limited quality videos just because we have listened to many systems is not acceptable for many of us, including me. IMHO it is also what is being debated and we have different opinions on it.
The food fight was started in post one, I am just analyzing it and giving my opinion. A pity you specialize in telling what others should do, buy and think, and not in openly discussing arguments.
One would hope that bigotry would not be tolerated on WBF.
No, you quoted me as saying it needs experience and maturity to listen to videos. This is totally different from what I said, to gain experience with videos. Now whether the latter is a valid experience or not is a different point.
It is a pity you spread such falsehoods and then report posts to mods
Sorry, no time for your usual bickering and childish accusations.
They are not purported by their makers to be a substitute for the sound of the actual system.
I see no problem as most of your customers buy in store or read reviews. Nothing to be scared of here. Anyway the majority consensus is that HiFi shows are not the best place to do serious listening.Sorry Peter, that's not the impression I get, specially here at WBF. When I see people comparing Munich rooms, and arriving at absolute conclusions and judgements, without ever setting foot there, all through videos, that's plain disturbing (to me).
High End audio music videos are fun and educational.
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