Where to go up from Harbeth?

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I love my Harbeth 40.3 XDs but wondered if there is speaker that does what Harbeth does and then some. Looking for a bite more available with a similar sound. A speaker that is great on vocals, pianos, classical, acoustic instruments, some classic rock like the Beatles and Neil Young). Must be able to sound full at low volumes (despite what you might have heard, the Harbeth 40.3 sounds great at low volumes and at loud volumes.) That lush full detailed sound that you can listen to all day (I.e. not Magico, Focals or Wilson’s). Will be paired with Accuphase Class A. Something full and enjoying and not fatiguing and yet exciting. Medium to large room 15’x 30’ x 8’ ceilings. Trying to determine what else is out there under $20-30k range. Used preferably since I could get more bang for my buck in the used market.

Thanks!

Lew
 
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If I were faced with this decision, I would try listening to a Westlake.

I've listened a lot in my former listening room with the Harbeth SHL 5, M30 and other Harbeth speakers, so I assume that the M40 simply sounds ‘bigger’ than the M30. The M30 and SHL 5 sounded very, very good in this listening room (that was too small for M40).

In this listening room I then had the Westlake BBSM 10 VNF (the floorstanding version of the BBSM 10). This was much better than Harbeth - much more full-bodied, quite a bit more direct and a bit more resolution, but still a pleasant warm sound for extremely long listening sessions. At first it worked very well in a relatively small listening room, but later I also had it in a listening room the size of yours and it sounded even better there.

The Westlake is easy to listening even at relatively low volumes. But you can also listen to it very loudly without distortion. Westlakes have one problem, namely an impedance minimum of 1.5 to 2 ohms in the bass. So you need powerful amplifiers that can handle this. I have driven the Westlake with Mark Levinson ML-2 (Class A, 2x25W @ 8 Ohm), so Accuphase Class A might well fit the bill.

Unfortunately, Westlake is now a little bit out (they are still producing, but there are far fewer models than a few years ago). If I were you, I would listen to the BBSM 12 VNF or BBSM 15 VNF. Westlake is a US manufacturer, so I think there is a large second-hand market.
 
Agreed, Accuphase class A is a synergistic match with 'pepperpot' Tannoys. I went through dozens of amps with my Canterburys before getting Accuphase... my final system.
 
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Now that they have moved production to China for all components (they pretend the illusion of shipping some of the components the Scotland and screw then in the cabinets), hearing about the QC issues and how they changed the construction of the components I wouldn't touch Chi-Noy with a 10 foot pole.

Wait until you hear the announcement of what is coming out over the next few weeks regarding production and where things are being moved to. And the sales numbers are less than the cost of a single nice car in many countries.

Some cabinets continue to be made in Poland and many are now made in China. It's easy to spot the difference.

Definitely find a used pair the was HONESTLY manufactured in the UK. It will be much, much better.

The people involved with Tannoy/Chi-noy and past distributors have been very vocal on social media sharing the specifics.

In fact the current distributor and former distributor got into a fight on the What HIFI forum when the poor recent review came out about Tannoy and the current distributor was temporarily banned from that forum.
 
I listened to Harbeth in 2010, the 30's & 40's, and preferred my Spendor S8e's that I purchased new in 2007. I think Spendor offers similar to Harbeth but in a more natural way. Harbeth requires stands and my Spendor's are floor standing but they also make a few speakers that require stands.

For a bigger sound in that direction I would suggest the Klipsch La Scala speakers. ATC SCM50 passive studio monitors might be right for you but these are very neutral and will expose most sonic short comings in a system.

I mainly listen to classical, but also listen to rock & pop music.

Just my opinions.
 
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I love my Harbeth 40.3 XDs but wondered if there is speaker that does what Harbeth does and then some. Looking for a bite more available with a similar sound. A speaker that is great on vocals, pianos, classical, acoustic instruments, some classic rock like the Beatles and Neil Young). Must be able to sound full at low volumes (despite what you might have heard, the Harbeth 40.3 sounds great at low volumes and at loud volumes.) That lush full detailed sound that you can listen to all day (I.e. not Magico, Focals or Wilson’s). Will be paired with Accuphase Class A. Something full and enjoying and not fatiguing and yet exciting. Medium to large room 15’x 30’ x 8’ ceilings. Trying to determine what else is out there under $20-30k range. Used preferably since I could get more bang for my buck in the used market.

Thanks!

Lew
Spendor Classic 200 , my absolute favourite now , and I was in love with Spendor about 23 years , tried Harbeth and Tannoy Prestige series , all was good but if you like the sound of Harbeth 40.3 , you will be never disappointed with top of the line Spendor Classic 200 with Class A Accuphase ( Had a long time Accuphase C2450/A75 combo with Spendor and Tannoy)
 
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I agree the older Tannoy's are fantastic.

With the major QC issues they've had since moving to China, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for low-quality made-in-china.

This has been discussed on forums at-length by the former big wigs on Tannoy who left after the Chinese take over and also the previous distributor who was quite frank about the many QC issues he encountered.

Plus, stay tuned for a major announcement coming VERY soon about Tannoy. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole unless it was one of the REAL made in the UK models from years ago - not current production.

Just my personal opinion. I feel sorry for anyone paying today's Tannoy prices for what's coming out of China.
 
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I agree the older Tannoy's are fantastic.

With the major QC issues they've had since moving to China, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for low-quality made-in-china.

This has been discussed on forums at-length by the former big wigs on Tannoy who left after the Chinese take over and also the previous distributor who was quite frank about the many QC issues he encountered.

Plus, stay tuned for a major announcement coming VERY soon about Tannoy. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole unless it was one of the REAL made in the UK models from years ago - not current production.

Just my personal opinion. I feel sorry for anyone paying today's Tannoy prices for what's coming out of China.

Why do you feel the need to re post this content ?, which is in effect that which you commented upon back on Jan 24th !
 
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Why do you feel the need to re post this content ?, which is in effect that which you commented upon back on Jan 24th !

I'm sorry if my post bothered you.
 
I love my Harbeth 40.3 XDs but wondered if there is speaker that does what Harbeth does and then some. Looking for a bite more available with a similar sound. A speaker that is great on vocals, pianos, classical, acoustic instruments, some classic rock like the Beatles and Neil Young). Must be able to sound full at low volumes (despite what you might have heard, the Harbeth 40.3 sounds great at low volumes and at loud volumes.) That lush full detailed sound that you can listen to all day (I.e. not Magico, Focals or Wilson’s). Will be paired with Accuphase Class A. Something full and enjoying and not fatiguing and yet exciting. Medium to large room 15’x 30’ x 8’ ceilings. Trying to determine what else is out there under $20-30k range. Used preferably since I could get more bang for my buck in the used market.

Thanks!

Lew

I have owned Harbeth since the original Monitor 40 came out 20+ years ago. I still have the Monitor 40.1, set up in my home theater system for listening to multichannel SACDs and movie soundtracks, which are often bright and the warmth of the Harbeth makes them more enjoyable.

For me, electrostatics have always been a cut above any Harbeth, and while the 'Beths have their own charms, I highly recommend a good pair of stats. I own quite a few, from the original Quad ESL 57 (my pair cost me $1000 or so 12-15 years ago, and are 50 years old and work perfectly), to the Quad 2805 (fancier version of the original 63) and the larger 2905s.

But, my speaker odyssey ended when I bought the massive 9-foot pair of Soundlab G9-7c's which does everything I want in a loudspeaker. It has warmth, natural, full-range sound, and dynamics. It is out of your price range, unfortunately, and driving it well requires a similar investment in tube amplification (I use the ultra massive ARC 750SE tube mono blocks, 200 pounds each, which put out enough heat to make my large room cozy in the winter months). But, WBF has always been about pushing the frontier in high end audio, and for me, that's the SoundLab G9-7c. They have been making electrostatics for 35 years, and my speaker comes beautifully finished in dark walnut hardwood with an elegant Opal fabric. You can get it in pretty much any finish you want to match any interior decor.

They sound divine with all types of music, especially well-recorded classical, jazz, opera, folk, and acoustic rock. You can play anything through them at any level you want (they take up to 600 watts of music power). They have a strange characteristic: they don't sound "loud" like a "loudspeaker" sounds. Because of their enormous radiating surface (>3000 sq, inches per speaker), and the lack of a crossover, the sound is just breathtakingly natural. You can listen to them at 1 foot distance or 14 feet away. Walk up to them, and the volume doesn't change. You can walk all around them. It sounds like you are walking behind the musicians playing. Brightness as traditionally manifested in loudspeakers with metallic tweeters doesn't exist. It's strange when you crank up the volume control, and you get more "presence", but not "loudness". It's like walking up to a symphony orchestra playing. In my 40+ years of listening to loudspeakers at every price point, I have never heard anything like them. But they are expensive, made to order (be prepared to wait for a while, as the wood has to be custom cut and cured), and Roger West -- the original owner -- takes his time making the electronics modules. But, it's worth the wait. You'll get off the audiophile "upgrade train" at least for loudspeakers.

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For me, it's Franco Serblin. The accordo have the best vocals I've ever heard, but the ktema bring the whole kit and kaboodle. I actually think the FS do everything harbeth does well, better, and then some. And I think harbeth are amazing.
 

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