Would you use this to increase the efficiency of your power delivery?
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"I trust my eyes, not what some armchair engineer or skeptic tells me."
I think you are spot on- he intended to be completely disingenuous and cynical. I believe he really means you can not trust your eyes in this context, and by implication, your ears when it comes to audio.
You have to give us some credit as only 10 people voted in the poll, which should be ignored in order to give less credence to this thread, which should have been deleted as soon as it was posted. Amir is a pretty good troll...
In another thread (http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...tentially-reduce-noise&p=391514#post391514)on this forum, witchdoctor post this link: http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/powercords.html, where Caelin Gabriel discusses why PC's make difference. Many of us subjectionists use and believe in his products because we hear and like their results.
Amir- are you equating trusting our ears to your observation of your power meter spinning more slowly after the application of these "wipes"?
Amir- are you equating trusting our ears to your observation of your power meter spinning more slowly after the application of these "wipes"?
The OP is about a product that improves flow of electricity. They have talked about their technology and I showed another party talking about the same. I don't have the tools or knowledge to measure if electrons/protons change as they do. But the argument seems to make a lot of sense to me. If you align the particles right at the source, from then on they should flow better. Think of a water filter at the entrance of your house.
Further, I am saying that after application of said wipes, my meter is running slow and I notice my light bulbs are shining brighter. I am asked to all of a sudden become an electrical engineer, know what a controlled load, is, etc. instead of trusting my own senses. And statements and testimonials of the manufacturer.
You asked me to understand your point of view regarding how you built your system. Yet I am not seeing anyone sympathetic to my logic and reasoning here. Nine (9) people have voted against me in the poll and that doesn't sit right with me. How am I supposed to sit here read comments like if I believe this someone wants to sell me a bridge??? I don't have space in my home for a bridge. Nor do I have any waterways to want cross with that. It is all very hostile commentary when all I want to do is share my wonderful discovery of this product which heretofore, people did not know about it.
Kill A Watt is a watt meter available at Home Depot for about $20. It plugs into a wall receptacle and allows you to plug any common device such as a heater or lamp (controlled, constant load). It reads out the exact # of watts being consumed. No EE degree required. Now wipe the power cord supplying the device with the magic stuff. You should instantly observe a reduction in the watts being consumed if this product isn't snake oil. Thus a valid scientific test any consumer can easily do at home, and if it yeilds your claimed results, we will all probably become believers.
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
http://www.p3international.com/products/images/main_p4400.jpg
http://www.p3international.com/products/p4400.html
http://www.p3international.com/products/images/main_p4400.jpg
Nothing cheap like that is going to maintain the purity of the aligned electrons/protons. They have computers in them that cause noise and jitter and that completely negates the value of the product in OP.
As to me claiming something, I am trusting my senses. If I can't trust my senses, how can I live with myself?
As to me claiming something, I am trusting my senses. If I can't trust my senses, how can I live with myself?
I completely disagree. If the magic wipe product does what you claim, you will see a reduction in the amount of power being consumed. This device is no different than your utility supplied meter which you claim is running slower, without knowing if the slower dial spin is due to something in your home of which you are unaware being turned off.
I suggest that a moderator stops this absolute nonsense thread. IMHO it is childish and disgusting, with no purpose at all except trolling WBF.
The meter is prior to my breaker panel. The device you suggested is put in after. It is like telling me you can AB two audio cables with a cheap switchbox. Would you accept that?
I am thinking of trying this on a particular organ of my body along with Viagra to improve "electron flow", etc.
By your own admission, you're a long-time, hard-line subjectivist. You only believe your ears, rejecting measurements and the scientific method. It's deliciously ironic to see you now espousing objectivity, measurements and the scientific method. Hopefully you can see that Amir is simply holding up a mirror to you.
While an admitted subjectivist, I don't reject science and hard evidence. In fact I am a believer in the scientific method, and will use whatever scientific tool will help me understand and solve a problem. Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata also uses this approach, and I believe with fantastic results. He is a true audiophile: he listens and measures, makes changes, and then listens and measures again. Here is a great article that supports my (and his) approach by Micheal Fremer:
DTCD Measures Up
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/shunyata_visit_interview.htm
Many skeptics dismiss power cables as pure snake oil. I believe there is real science behind the Shunyata products, and I can hear the results. They have taken my system which was already great, to a significantly higher level. Thus my mantra: Trust your ears, but measure when you can.
DTCD Measures Up
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/shunyata_visit_interview.htm
Many skeptics dismiss power cables as pure snake oil. I believe there is real science behind the Shunyata products, and I can hear the results. They have taken my system which was already great, to a significantly higher level. Thus my mantra: Trust your ears, but measure when you can.
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Holding a mirror up to me? Hardly! And, I don't believe for a moment he thinks the "Magic Wipes" are anything but snake oil. What's ironic is that he rejects any suggestion of a scientific test.
Did you double blind test the light bulb? At the very least, I think this product deserves some sort of more formal treatment in the Measurement Forum. You should ask the manufacturer for a sample and measure the improvement in efficiency for us
No. That would be undue stress on my ability to tell the improvement. I trust my eyes, thank you very much.
I have no use for measurements for such an obvious improvement. If someone doesn't believe me, they can buy the product on their own and measure it. But don't tell me about it. I don't want to have such pseudoscience nonsense pushed down my throat. Real science doesn't work that way. Science is all about questioning and not everything remotely is known about how we see. There can for example be photon absorption through the skin.At the very least, I think this product deserves some sort of more formal treatment in the Measurement Forum. You should ask the manufacturer for a sample and measure the improvement in efficiency for us
Photon absorption through the skin is one of the flaws in double blind tests.
Until you prevent these skin effects, people are not truly unsighted
Until you prevent these skin effects, people are not truly unsighted
Did some of you have watched this video?
I did, and the guy sounds believable. But I'm not sure 100%...until I see the real valid science with measurements to confirm one side or the other.
For now I'm remaining open minded and won't invest $15 to check it out. I let someone else do it for themselves, and if they can come up with real proof scientific evidence, supported by concrete measurements that all can read graphically, then and only then I will succumb to the new truth in believing real performed electron science.
I did, and the guy sounds believable. But I'm not sure 100%...until I see the real valid science with measurements to confirm one side or the other.
For now I'm remaining open minded and won't invest $15 to check it out. I let someone else do it for themselves, and if they can come up with real proof scientific evidence, supported by concrete measurements that all can read graphically, then and only then I will succumb to the new truth in believing real performed electron science.
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