The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton -The Reference Ultra Final Frontier

I add briefly to Steve's on-target insights into the Zellaton Plural Evo loudspeakers: Listen too for that unique air and space this system delivers with ease between players on a stage (on recordings that offer it). How each player or vocalist is anchored on the stage with great definition and ironclad stability - whether it be a solo musician, an individualized string section or a layered horn section way back! in the rear of a stage. In my room, the Plural Evos bring the unique stage and recording venue on each great recording into my room. (This is different from being thrust into a recording space). The recording venue is transported wholesale into my room. You know immediately when listening with the PEs where the mics were placed in the recording space; how the recording space was partitioned or, alternatively, when players are together in one space. You instantly are in the company of musicians and vocalists interacting naturally with each other in their own air, space and movement. The PE's phenomenal coherency top to bottom, timbre rich and bass propulsive and natural, adds to the realism and ease of involvement. Can never get enough of the Zells! Kudos to Gideon for all that he does to bring us this special Zellaton conduit to joyfully enjoy the music we love!

System: Zellaton Plural Evos; Soulution 331 integrated amplifier; Ensemble Dirondo CD player; Holborne turntable with Fuuga cartridge; FM Acoustics 123 Phono Linearizer; Ensemble Isolink and cables; Symphonic Line cabling.
 
I totally understand RJ

The other thing i have noticed is that with prolonged listening there is absolutely no fatigue
No fatigue? It just takes time. Much like everything else, there's a burn-in period for that. :) <grin>
 
I add briefly to Steve's on-target insights into the Zellaton Plural Evo loudspeakers: Listen too for that unique air and space this system delivers with ease between players on a stage (on recordings that offer it). How each player or vocalist is anchored on the stage with great definition and ironclad stability - whether it be a solo musician, an individualized string section or a layered horn section way back! in the rear of a stage. In my room, the Plural Evos bring the unique stage and recording venue on each great recording into my room. (This is different from being thrust into a recording space). The recording venue is transported wholesale into my room. You know immediately when listening with the PEs where the mics were placed in the recording space; how the recording space was partitioned or, alternatively, when players are together in one space. You instantly are in the company of musicians and vocalists interacting naturally with each other in their own air, space and movement. The PE's phenomenal coherency top to bottom, timbre rich and bass propulsive and natural, adds to the realism and ease of involvement. Can never get enough of the Zells! Kudos to Gideon for all that he does to bring us this special Zellaton conduit to joyfully enjoy the music we love!

System: Zellaton Plural Evos; Soulution 331 integrated amplifier; Ensemble Dirondo CD player; Holborne turntable with Fuuga cartridge; FM Acoustics 123 Phono Linearizer; Ensemble Isolink and cables; Symphonic Line cabling.
It’s interesting to read your comment about the soundstage and where every mic is placed as that was the very first comment i made to Gideon when we sat down to listen the soundstage was vastly different than what I had with my Wilson speakers. It really is so different hearing songs which I have listened to for years sounding different. You really know where each person and instrument is anchored.
 
After living with the PEs for a week, I agree with Dr. Williams' assessment concerning the soundstage. It is wide, deep, and detailed. I'm coming from Sonus Faber Il Cremonese which I think are fine speakers. The SFs are musical, never fatiguing and provide a consistently good experience. I thought they could be a bit soft, not terrible, but not the last word in detail. The SFs produced plenty of bass, but not perfectly controlled. I could have happily lived with them for years to come (and planned to) and thought the presentation was a necessary tradeoff to avoid a fatiguing sound that might not wear well. The PEs were something of a revelation in that regard. The PEs excel at detail, speed and a lively sound but after spending a lot of time in front of them over the last week there has been no hint of an overly sharp sound or anything approaching fatiguing (other than sleep deprivation produced by too late listening sessions). The SFs, which I really enjoyed, can't match the speed, well controlled, articulate bass, or the natural but energetic sound produced by the Zellatons. We settled on Burmester amplification, which seems to be a superb match. There is an effortless quality to the pairing that is very pleasing. The speakers never have to catch up to the music-its there, and right now. We all like something a little different, but, for my taste, it would be very difficult to beat the PEs with anything in their class.
 
There was a pair of Zellatons with silver coloured drivers at Munich a few years ago that and me thinking "that really is a pretty good speaker". I was even looking up the driver tech which is unusual. They made a mark on me.

But the ones with the black drivers at Munich I haven't thought as much of. Am I just deluded or have the drivers actually changed with the colour? That's not to say they are bad they just don't seem to align with my ears as well.
 
There was a pair of Zellatons with silver coloured drivers at Munich a few years ago that and me thinking "that really is a pretty good speaker". I was even looking up the driver tech which is unusual. They made a mark on me.

But the ones with the black drivers at Munich I haven't thought as much of. Am I just deluded or have the drivers actually changed with the colour? That's not to say they are bad they just don't seem to align with my ears as well.
My thoughts exactly! You are not imagining things. The silver ones are from the Klassik line and use the original sandwich technology. The dark cones are a new, less expensive driver tech (in the Evo line at least) and the tweeter is not from the same materials as the mids in the Evo line but it is the same in the Klassik line. The new Ultras are also darker cones that the tweeter shares.
 
I'm certainly not up to all of the driver types but my understanding they all have the foam sandwich.Yes the Classic line has a silver coat on top. The new Ultra line are black and from what understand use Dueland capacitors made specifically for Zellaton and the crossovers are completely new as well

I can't speak for Brad but for my ears listening to the Plural Evo was a true revelation. The first two things that jumped out about the sound was the soundstage and secondly the bass and how fast it was. I am really enjoying this loaner set of PE
 
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I have had a few members reach out to me recently to suggest I should consider dumping my Lamm amp and consider a class A solid state amp with some oomph behind it. I would like to reiterate that I am eternally happy with my Lamm ML3 and everything it brings to the table. They drive this speaker with ease with plenty of headroom and frequently when Gideon was here we were constantly turning down the gain as the sound was just too loud. I asked Gideon while he was here as to whether I should consider different electronics. He said he loved the sound and it’s an ideal match and discouraged change . Bottom line is I love the sound of my Lamm Signature series amp, prep and phono stage and so did Gideon. So let's put that to rest and await delivery of the Refence Ultra ...
 
I would avoid those members Steve , Lamm them up so to speak ..


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Im a tube guy. It's as simple as that. However when a tube goes down on those amps and takes out a fuse and the speaker sounds like someone is shooting a machine gun, I want to tear the hair out of my head. Yet having said that when listening to these 32 wpc Pure Class A they light up my room. And pair with the rest of the Signature Series (LP1 and LL1) Im a happy camper
 
Im a tube guy. It's as simple as that.

It's a pretty funny effort when solid state aficionados try to convince tube guys to switch.

I can appreciate great solid state amplification and love to listen to it, but for my own system I remain a tube guy as well.

Let them talk all they want...
 
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Those silly SS guys! Now, where's Kedar to talk up horns for Steve?
 
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To be fully transparent I'm one of the guys who proposed to Steve SS amp option. If you believe that I'm "silly SS aficionado" having entire system for years and years made out of tube components only (mainly DHT) so be it.
But I am in the camp of thought that each speaker type requires a "specific" amp type in order to shine at its best. Placing monster SS amp on 100dB horns won't really cut the chase or SET amp with 300b tubes on panel speakers also won't deliver the goodies both are capable of.
To me same goes for multiple driver dynamic speakers coupled with SET DHT amp. Does it sound fantastic - I have no doubt, could it sound potentially better with big SS amp with proper damping factor etc. - maybe yes maybe no to the ears of the owner.
Again, for the sake of truth - i proposed to Steve to TRY (not BUY) and hear on his own beside his Lamms only power amp while not changing the pre as tube pre in my book is essential, to see what two conceptually different type of power amps are bringing to the table - nothing more nothing less.
For example - Gideon having Soulution in his portfolio I'm sure he would be willing to loan one for a demo for a big customer as Steve is.

Anyways if Steve is happy with as is electronics, I'm happy and that is it.

P.S. Not sure I've seen Zellaton going around the shows (like Munich) demoing their stuff with SET amps...but I've seen them doing it with big monster SS amps - guess there must be a reason for that...
 
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Hearkening back to my experience in Toronto, earlier this month, I had the opportunity to listen to Zellaton Reference speakers matched with an assortment of gear:

Tube / Valve: Engstrom & Alieno
Solid State: JMF and SPEC (Class D 100 wpc integrated amplifier)

To be honest, the tube gear was SUBSTANTIAL in power, not lightweight by any means.

I am still gobsmacked by the ability of the SPEC to carry its weight and fully punch above with the Zellaton Reference speakers.
 
Hi Patrick....I spent most of yesterday listening and was able to make some observations as to what Im hearing now as compared to what I heard with my Wilson speakers. First off these are highly different designed speakers and I was certainly a Wilson zealot as I have owned so many of their speakers over the past 35 years. The Wilson philosophy is to time align the drivers and to focus the image directly at the listener's ear height based on the sitting distance from the tweeters. The speakers comes with a manual and the algorithms to be able to set the upper 3 modules based on the aforementioned parameters. Essentially the speaker had a laser like focus specific only for the listener in the set spot leaving all other listeners with an out of focus listening experience. So also were there problems if the next listener in that sweet spot happens to be taller or shorter than the person for whom the upper modules are set. This is why at Audio Shows there tend to be so many criticisms of Wilson as there are so many guests in th sweet spot with different heights as well as so many listeners in other seats around the room . For those who follow my system blog

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...e-new-listening-room-of-steve-williams.10535/

you will find detail over the past several years where I switched the upper modules to defocus this razor sound as well as to move the listening position into the triangle where I felt I achieved the best sound ever from my Wilson speakers

Such is not the case in the setup of the Zellaton speakers. I was quite amazed that Gideon had the speakers out of the crates, the rates taken apart and moved downstairs into my garage and that the speakers were positioned, the seat position changed and with some slight toe in, the speakers were ready to listen to all in just over one hour.

Yesterday I listened to vinyl, tape and streaming and truly enjoyed what each format brought to the table, such that I was able to make the following conclusions based upon what I heard


1.Wilson has a sound and is voiced whereas Zellaton has no sound whatsoever and sounds like I am listening to an electrostatic.


2. Wilson has over ripe bass whereas Zellaton is tight and fast but truly natural. This for me was the biggest difference in both speakers. The bass in Zellaton was tight, fast and linear, meaning nothing in the frequency spectrum stood out. IOW the sound was balanced and sounded very natural .Many speakers have sharp highs or overextended bass etc.but Zellaton sounds like a point source

3.Wilson uses different drivers whereas Zellaton uses all in house drivers made by Zellaton so more coherent sound. I feel this point is worth mentioning as I believe it explains more accurately point number 2 above. The Zellaton drivers are very interesting in design as they are foam lined


4. Zellaton has proven more efficient and sounds bigger with less power. This for me was the biggest worry I had when I ordered the speakers as the Wilson speakers are 95 db efficient whereas the Zellaton is 91 db efficient. My prerequisite to Gideon was that the speakers had to be driven by my Lamm ML3 Class A tube amp at 32 wpc. This was a deal breaker if that test could otherwise not be met as I was not considering any change in my Lamm electronics. What stunned me was that I was able to listen to the Zellaton speakers daily and there was so much head room in all of the formats to which I listened, that I found myself having to lower the gain control. My other concern prior to the Zellaton being set up was that they must achieve a soundstage commensurate with that thrown by my big Wilson.....IOW the sound stage must be reality and believable. From the very first track we played this criterion was not only met but exceeded my best anticipation. And this again is with the Plural Evo not with my soon to arrive Reference Ultra. Gideon promised me the soundstage and listening will be even better. I look forward to and am counting the days when these new speakers arrive


5. When compared to the Wilson I felt that Zellaton has much greater resolution and lower noise floor . One interesting caveat was that with the Wilson speakers always had tweeter and midrange driver transformer hum from my Lamm ML3 which I could never ameliorate until I began using the Schnerzinger Grid and EMI Protectors. With these the transformer hum became so faint that it could only be heard with an ear up close to the drivers. With the Zellaton the transformer hum is totally absent


6.Finally the biggest difference that I heard and continue to comment about is just how fat the deep bass and mid bass are with the Zellaton. Without casting aspersions the Zellaton Zellaton is so much faster whereas Wilson in comparison sounds slow and bloated, especially in mid bass

so what does all this mean to my ears....the Zellaton sound is tight, fast and linear with nothing that stands out to suggest coloration. The sound seems to breathe so much easier.IOW there seemed to be so much air around what I was hearing thus creating a feeling that the speaker was an electrostatic yet can move enormous amount of air. The question of using subs with these speakers was raised many times earlier in this thread by readers but TBH then (prior to hearing, and now (after hearing) I have no desire to consider the use of subwoofers as the sound just seems so natural heard with only the speakers. The sound is completely balanced throughout the frequency spectrum and nothing was accentuated. It was linear from top to bottom

So in summary, these are my first thoughts with these speakers and it only makes me look forward to the arrival of my Reference Ultra.....yet having said that, I must say that these Plural Evo speakers at their price point leave little to the imagination

HTH
Steve,
Your Wilson vs Zellaton comments are spot-on and mirror my experience. Your comment about the listening position is especially accurate. With Wilson’s alignment, the sound in the “sweet spot” is very good and focused. Move a few feet off center and you lose the magic. With Zellaton, you still get amazing imaging and soundstage – no matter where your seat is on the sofa. This is a dramatic difference.
Mike
 
Steve,
Your Wilson vs Zellaton comments are spot-on and mirror my experience. Your comment about the listening position is especially accurate. With Wilson’s alignment, the sound in the “sweet spot” is very good and focused. Move a few feet off center and you lose the magic. With Zellaton, you still get amazing imaging and soundstage – no matter where your seat is on the sofa. This is a dramatic difference.
Mike
Thanks Mike.That was my very first and literally immediate perception of the difference
 
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Manuel Podzsus
Grandson of Emile Podzsus- founder of Zellaton
Manuel is former top engineer at Bosch and Mercedes
Now in the family tradition the designer of Zellaton speakers
 
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