Has anyone heard the Devialet D-Premier Integrated Amp/DAC
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I spent 10mins with the exact same problem
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you saved meyes go to settings,al info there
i do find the air total unstable ,its logs out every 5 minute
Mine does too, it is incredibly annoying.
I am using Itunes 11.0.3 so there may be some issues according to the Devialet Website in the bitperfect solution but even if it is forced to 16/44 it is not stable.
I have moved since a long time to a cable solution (Audirvana and HiFace2) and the test with the new Air2 will not change it. Apparently there are some people who have been using Air without any interferences for some time when you read the forums (I mean the previous version) but all the people I know personally have also moved to a cable solution; I have lost any confidence in the reliability of the Air solution. I guess the best solution will be the upgrade with the Ethernet which should produce the same sound as the Air without interferences !
Currently, you need iTunes to run Devialet AIR (although that's supposed to be expanded soon). Once you go to wired digital links (including USB and Ethernet) it's up to you what you send to the Devialet. At least in theory - my D-Premier has neither of those connections so it's hard to check.
In essence, if the Ethernet connection on the new models is UPnP, the Devialet will effectively replace your streamer and amp in one, and all you will need to do (again, in theory) is remove the Ethernet cable from the back of your NDX and plug it into your Devialet. The music files you were playing through the NDX can be played through the Devialet, but you will need a different way of managing those files (such as the PlugPlayer app).
Unfortunately, Devialet's revised website has hobbled much of the useful and informative parts of its predecessor and instead gone for slick over-simplification and more confusion, IMO.
I doubt it will be a upnp streamer. From the sparse information we have Ethernet will use the same Air software. This new software emulates the presence of a soundcard, so anything which plays music through your computer speakers should also come through to the Devialet - in principle.
Hi,
I loaded 6.06 tonight (with their help menus to remind me how!). 6.06 runs happily from J-River. If anything the sound here is better here via streaming than via AES/Stello U3/laptop - I think - ask me again in a day I might have changed my mind. It did drop out a couple of times and also managed to convert audio to white noise too (might be rough on the tweeters if at high volume). This is streaming via wifi from my laptop. While there may still be bugs to overcome I suspect the real issue is simply wifi and its ability to be obliterated by eg portable phones or microwaves (both seen to be offenders here at least). Still this was the easiest to get going upgrade I've had yet so I can't complain. And I'm so pleased to be shot of Apple / Itunes /I-anything / i-everything ;o)
The Android app works well too - wonder why they didn't include the remote push buttons though? Registering on site and (I'm guessing) retaining your set up and firmware download records is a nice touch too.
So all this new functionality for no charge - it's a pretty good deal really.
Murray
I loaded 6.06 tonight (with their help menus to remind me how!). 6.06 runs happily from J-River. If anything the sound here is better here via streaming than via AES/Stello U3/laptop - I think - ask me again in a day I might have changed my mind. It did drop out a couple of times and also managed to convert audio to white noise too (might be rough on the tweeters if at high volume). This is streaming via wifi from my laptop. While there may still be bugs to overcome I suspect the real issue is simply wifi and its ability to be obliterated by eg portable phones or microwaves (both seen to be offenders here at least). Still this was the easiest to get going upgrade I've had yet so I can't complain. And I'm so pleased to be shot of Apple / Itunes /I-anything / i-everything ;o)
The Android app works well too - wonder why they didn't include the remote push buttons though? Registering on site and (I'm guessing) retaining your set up and firmware download records is a nice touch too.
So all this new functionality for no charge - it's a pretty good deal really.
Murray
That is exactly what I understood from the infos I had prior to Munichs High End. And that is why I was so surprised by other information here. We will see soon. New Devialets should be in the stores within some weeks.
I'm on Win7. I can now stream to my DP (with 6.06) using Jriver 18 playing to wasapi exclusive on the new Air2 card emulator. Even 24/192 is possible, but I would need a stronger WiFi signal (currently -57dBm) to trust this for regular use. This was impossible with the old Air and iTunes for windows. Anything more than 16/44.1 would be hopeless. For daily use I connect via a Stello U3 to the AES/EBU of my DP. I prefer this, but it is good to know that the new Air2 card emulator works.
What a mess. The best thing about owning a D-Premier, and justification for its price, has been that Devialet delivered on the claims for excellent performance that it advertised and that reviewers supported.
But the braggadocio and hyperbole promoting new products on the recent Devialet site was nervous-making. Somehow all the investor money that Devialet boasted about attracting has altered the clear sightedness of the company’s message.
On the technical side, update instructions are (when one can find them after infuriating circular traverse) incomplete or misleading. In the past, I have been able to use Air up to 24/96 without annoyance. Now the claimed Air2 high resolution streaming above 24/96 delivers crackle and rasp, and lower resolution playback is punctuated with momentary dropouts. I have a robust wifi signal, always at about -31dBm, in a Mac Mini music-dedicated system.
And why is there no statement about the upgrade benefits of firmware 6.0? Is there any sonic or operational improvement to the D-Premier? Or is it only for the benefit of the newly introduced products?
But I just received a lovely new Chord usb cable that DOES make a sonic improvement, so it's back to wired via Audirvana>Stello U3>AES/EBU>Devialet.
But the braggadocio and hyperbole promoting new products on the recent Devialet site was nervous-making. Somehow all the investor money that Devialet boasted about attracting has altered the clear sightedness of the company’s message.
On the technical side, update instructions are (when one can find them after infuriating circular traverse) incomplete or misleading. In the past, I have been able to use Air up to 24/96 without annoyance. Now the claimed Air2 high resolution streaming above 24/96 delivers crackle and rasp, and lower resolution playback is punctuated with momentary dropouts. I have a robust wifi signal, always at about -31dBm, in a Mac Mini music-dedicated system.
And why is there no statement about the upgrade benefits of firmware 6.0? Is there any sonic or operational improvement to the D-Premier? Or is it only for the benefit of the newly introduced products?
But I just received a lovely new Chord usb cable that DOES make a sonic improvement, so it's back to wired via Audirvana>Stello U3>AES/EBU>Devialet.
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good point and thats a problem ,even when setting up a own network wit apple products that was suggested
another thing is that now when playing from the imac its totally controlled by air,so doing other things when other members of the family playing at the stereo via air ,like working and listen to some videos or other things are gone
btw the air function has to be revised asap for itunes,it doesn't work simple as that ….last old version was ok ,but now its only dropping out every now and then
Good post
Heck I didn't even get emails from Devialet announcing the new products and 6.0 firmware.
Actually I had to re-register to download the 6.0 firmware. And as I warned, the new iPhone app doesn't work with the 5.7.x firmware.
I guess the new Devialet regime doesn't believe in telling anyone anything anymore
What a disappointment all around
I doubt the philosophy and the aspirations of the company have changed. To the extent I have spoken to a number of their top guys, they are well-intentioned, dedicated and highly capable people. But they have misjudged things in relation to the new equipment releases and the new software. Maybe that was an unfortunate consequence of the timing of the Munich show, leading to an inadequate new website and delays in delivering the new 6.0 and 2.0 software on time and to the expected standard.
I expect them to get it right over the next few weeks - it's just that existing customer expectations are high in relation to what is, after all, a high calibre unique product.
Yes that release is still on the website:
https://help.devialet.com/entries/23419527-How-to-update-the-internal-software-firmware-
5.7.1 or 5.7.3
Though I am not sure why you would want to?
As suggested in an earlier post, Devialet should have described the objectives of 6.0 over 5.7.x.
You could download both 6.0 and 5.7.x and look at the files which may give a clue, although my recollection is that 5.7.x has 11 files whereas 6.0 has (I think) 17.
My listening experience, albeit brief over just a day, and with both software 6.0 and Air 2.0 replacing software 5.7.2b or 5.7.3 (latterly) and Air 1.0, is certainly not a disappointment and the latest stuff could be better.
Certainly Air 2.0 is more stable for me than Air 1.0 (using the same router in the same location) and, were I to suggest anything, I would say that the "dimensional presentation" of the music is better - of course, that could be my imaginary validation of something I want to feel is better - which is why, in part, we need input from Devialet.
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Devialet firmware 6.0
"...were I to suggest anything, I would say that the "dimensional presentation" of the music is better - of course, that could be my imaginary validation of something I want to feel is better - which is why, in part, we need input from Devialet."
Having set aside my disgruntlement about Air2 and given a listen to firmware 6.0 through a wired feed via Audirvana, I also hear a more, as you say, "dimensional presentation". I suspect we may not be delusional, since I listened through, captivated, to the end of a Beethoven symphony I intended to only sample for audition.
gm
"...were I to suggest anything, I would say that the "dimensional presentation" of the music is better - of course, that could be my imaginary validation of something I want to feel is better - which is why, in part, we need input from Devialet."
Having set aside my disgruntlement about Air2 and given a listen to firmware 6.0 through a wired feed via Audirvana, I also hear a more, as you say, "dimensional presentation". I suspect we may not be delusional, since I listened through, captivated, to the end of a Beethoven symphony I intended to only sample for audition.
gm
I haven't I'm afraid.
I remember the Devialet people (Mathieu Pernot, their top R&D engineer; and Thierry, who I believe is one of the partners) saying that iTunes (as deployed by Devialet) was "as perfect as it gets" (words to that effect) and so, using Air, I just use iTunes on my MacBook Pro.
My preference is to keep things simple and minimise or eliminate equipment and software choice, provided that what I have I consider to be (close to) as good as it gets - in my room and with my ears. Then the focus for me should be on the music and the hifi can be ignored - and the Devialet (wall mounted) with an innocuous pair of speakers gives you one of the best chances of achieving that, just in my opinion of course.
Ah that is good to know. I find these thing very difficult to describe and I can probably only cite three criteria through which I judge the sound: is it neutral (does it sound balanced in the way I hear it live); is it transparent (is there nothing in the way between me and the sound); is it a dimensional presentation (if I close my eyes does it sound real rather than recorded)?
I read reviews which talk about "slam" or "pace, rhythm and timing" or ... and they mean very little to me.
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