OLED TVs (LG, Sony); They Always Win Shootouts As The Very Top Best

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My wife wanted me to watch 'Perfume' on Netflix. It is an oddball prurient murder mystery in a weird Teutonic/Continental style, but with Dolby HDR 4K and LG OLED, probably the most gorgeous cinematography to date. Wow on the eye feast, and quite a bit of gratuitous sex, too, although I am watching it just for the articles.
 
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Congrats on the A8F you will be getting. My pro calibration is scheduled for next week, but in the interim, I have been slowly calibrating it with the eye; I will post my final settings next week, and then the pro's. Out of the box, only Cinema Home is worth a dime - all others, and especially Standard, are junk. The good news is that you can calibrate by input and application (TV, input or apps) and likely, also by resolution. I'll say again, even HD blu-ray on the manually calibrated A8F is stunning, and 4K is extra-ordinary.
Thanks Tasos. If you would post when you have the final settings, that would be appreciated.
 

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According to some hi-end reputable video dealers the Sony OLED A9F is much better than the A8F. If you want the best, regardless of price, they recommend the A9F.

Here's a brief comparison ...
? https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-a8f-vs-sony-a9f/603/684

Remember, each panel from the same model doesn't mean they are necessarily the same, there are variances. And, citrons.
 

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I'm not in the market for a new TV, but find this site to be among the best for current and comparative reviews

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews

What I especially like is that they provide (what they consider) optimum settings for any particular model. Their settings are probably at least a fairly good starting point for your own preferences.
 

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Francisco, it is more complicated than just a simple answer to both your questions.
That is exactly why I started this thread...the latest on OLED TVs, 2018 models, burn-in issues.

First, the prices are way down compared to previous years.
Two, the latest OLED TVs (2018) are better (improved) over the 2017 and 2016 models.
Three, burn-in is real, but not for everyone (just yet...give it some more time).
Four, most video dealers don't cover burn-in issues in the USA (but some do).
Five, I am from Canada and I can get an extended warranty that covers OLED burn-in issues (from some video stores).

* There are more and more OLED TVs today showing permanent burn-in than last year and two years ago. It is simply a natural limitation (over time and with program content) of the organic emissive technology, just like plasma.

The start of your username ... micro, is the light of the future...MicroLED, non-organic emissive technology with much more brightness (best for HDR), pure blacks, and potentially no permanent burn-in. It's going to be costly @ the beginning.

It is 100% accidental and from the last few days that another issue just surfaced.
Because WBF is such a small forum with not much traffic (compared to the masses in audio and video) I included the latest issues about OLED (mentioned in the last few posts), with couple videos.

@ best some people are not seeing issues (yet), @ worst some people returned their TVs for a refund or an exchange. It is different for each person; there are simply too many variables ...
It is always a changing field; with time that comes with this technology.
 

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I'm not in the market for a new TV, but find this site to be among the best for current and comparative reviews

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews

What I especially like is that they provide (what they consider) optimum settings for any particular model. Their settings are probably at least a fairly good starting point for your own preferences.

I saw this site when tuning my A8F and found the settings suboptimal, to put it nicely
 

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The settings they use are for their own controlled light room.
For us it's only a guide to start with.
How many rooms use the exact same light in people's homes, and how many flat OLED panels from the same brand and model are exactly 100% the same? ...Not two.

But it is indeed one of the better site (rtings) for testing & rating flat panel TVs from the various technologies used.
I also like Vincent's YouTube videos; he's a professional video calibrator with impeccable integrity and articulation. ...Like his last one that I've just posted for example; a must watch.

It's a delicate balance being a video tester, reviewer, ...because the samples you get from the various TV manufacturers, they want to show their best, and they expect the best glorious reviews. Duh.
It is only when you are totally unbiased free and can afford to purchase your TVs that your words start to gain weight. With time we learn to discover them, the truly best reliable TV reviewers.
I try my very top best to only post the very best links and all. Sure I too make mistakes occasionally, like anyone else. I learn from them with the help of people around me, it's not the end of the world; to the contrary it's positive evolution.

What is the best TV right now (December 29, 2018)? C'mon, I'm asking myself an impossible question to answer that is valid for all.
We discuss the pros and cons, that's the fun of searching for the ultimate best but not perfect for me, you or them.

My main interest here, again, is OLED technology with the latest model TVs in 2018...burn-in (permanent), and/or any other serious issue, like the one newly discovered less than a week ago and already mentioned in this thread. We're here to learn all together, no one above no one below all equally.

2019 is going to be a dynamite year, dynamite as in illuminating. ...For all the very best.
 
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Received my Sony today. Installed and up and running. Very nice picture quality, albeit not significantly better than my prior Pioneer Plasma. ( which is what i was expecting). OTOH, the ability to portray 4K content is a big plus, and with that on display...the 4K display is superior to the Plasma.
I was told by the installer that I should not try and re-calibrate it until about 150 hours have gone by. Apparently it needs about that amount of time to 'burn in' and get settled. He told me that depending on the TV, some will appear too cold and some too warm in color during that process.
Meanwhile, I am trying to figure out how to get 4k content, so will probably add a 4k streamer and 4K disc player. Nonetheless, pretty impressed so far.
 
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A professionnel video calibration is recommended after roughly 200 hours.

And regular Blu-rays (1080p) should look splendid upscaled to 4K, better than your Kuro plasma.
You do have a Blu-ray player?

Those OLED TVs are thinner than our cell phones, just a bit thicker than our credit cards, about the same as the new iPad Pro 11 (5.9mm).
 
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Bob, the Blu Ray looks great. What's a bigger difference over the Plasma is the much larger size...65" vs 50" for the Pioneer. Bigger is definitely better when it comes to TV's, IMHO.
 

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The best OLED TV of last year (2018 - $3,000 Canadian plus taxes for the 65" Class, on sale):


* The LG OLED C8 is now $4,000 Canadian (the price went up 33.33% - the Holidays are over, since January 3rd, 2019). The 2019 models are coming up with HDMI 2.1 and a faster video chip processor. In the US the C8 best deals I saw was $2,000 (65").

** LG is putting a GPS tracking device in selected OLED TV packaging to see if they end up to authorised video dealers or not. This is becoming a legal issue business.
It's like some service delivery outfits (Amazon) putting GPS tracking devices in the packaging to track thieves who stole the goods from front doorsteps before the owner.

Anyway, burn-in even if we have the very best OLED TVs right now, is not an illusion but a real true reality. And when it's there, permanently, we have lemons to watch future content...4K Blu-rays and all. Our OLED TVs, without being off track or without lying, are caput, dead, not more fun with permanent burn-in logos, images, volume control, black bars @ top & bottom, white lines, numbers, etc.
When certain scenes with light color water or sky are displayed you can see the discoloration effect of the burn-in sections behind. It is not the best TV anymore, but one of the worst.

Just couple years ago many people on the internet couldn't even cope with the thought, with that reality. Today they are not singing the exact same tune, they only whisper or won't admit.
It's normal human psychology; nobody want to be a victim.

Are the 2019 OLED models going to be better about burn-in? They are still an Organic self-emissive technology, and they still come with that same handicap.
Watching TV channels, news, sports, ...they all have their logos and score boards.
When watching widescreen movies with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 they all have black bars on top and bottom.

Still, OLED TVs are the best. But with a big butt, a permanent burn-in butt risk overtime (from short as only six months to 1-2-3 years depending). Of course if you don't watch news and sports and widescreen movies and playing games with time and score logos and not pausing anything for long and not watching more than few hours per week it will take longer. Your OLED should last many years.

Also, no two people react the same when they see it. But in general they are devastated by its real effect on their OLED screens that they just bought a year ago for serious money on their own financial scale. For some people three grands is a fart in a hurricane wind, for others it's a full year of sacrificial savings.

It's not what we have, it's who we are.
 
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Nice. BTW, CalMAN is the software my calibrator used on my TV
 

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Panasonic OLED TVs now joining the Sony/LG OLED club in supporting HDR10+, Dolby Vision HDR and HLG in 2019 with their new upgraded Hollywood HCX Pro Intelligent Processor video chip.
Fun short promo video...

 
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