More Consensus That Streaming Is An Inferior Format & Not High End?

[andromedaaudio]

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A little bit of topic but regarding physical medium sales i think vinyl is the winner.
If i look at the shops these days half of the shop is filled with vinyl the rest CD s.

 

[7ryder]

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A little bit of topic but sales wise i think vinyl is the winner

I'm not sure how you declared vinyl the winner... Looks like it's streaming to me (this info is in the article you shared)

RankMusic formatsRevenue in 2021

1Streaming$11.5 billion
2Vinyl$1.0 billion
3CD$0.6 billion
4Downloads$0.5 billion
Other$1.4 billion

Total$15.1 billion

 

[microstrip]

Are you suggesting that if the original post is a link to a video that you not watch the video before you respond to the title? That makes no sense to me.

Please re-read the whole thread. You entered the thread to discuss my opinions, not those of Paul. I did not view the video. Do you think that David, the OP, watched it in full? He just posted the link without a single line comment and from then on posted on sound for money of turntables and LPs!

 

[Audire]

I'm not sure how you declared vinyl the winner... Looks like it's streaming to me (this info is in the article you shared)

RankMusic formatsRevenue in 2021

1Streaming$11.5 billion
2Vinyl$1.0 billion
3CD$0.6 billion
4Downloads$0.5 billion
Other$1.4 billion

Total$15.1 billion

IMO being more popular doesn’t mean streaming is an equal format to vinyl or CDs. The streaming numbers include cells phone streaming, etc.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I'm not sure how you declared vinyl the winner... Looks like it's streaming to me (this info is in the article you shared)

RankMusic formatsRevenue in 2021

1Streaming$11.5 billion
2Vinyl$1.0 billion
3CD$0.6 billion
4Downloads$0.5 billion
Other$1.4 billion

Total$15.1 billion

Yeah my mistake .
I was watching on my phone i thought it was a static graph but it went on in years.

But i also stated physical medium in which vinyl still beats CDs.
Streaming is not a physical medium purchase

 

[7ryder]

Yeah my mistake .
I was watching on my phone i thought it was a static graph but it went on in years

I'm gonna get some gummies and watch that graph for a while!

 

[TooCool4]

I'm not sure how you declared vinyl the winner... Looks like it's streaming to me

Andromedaaudio said physical media, streaming is not physical media in anyone’s book.

 

[PeterA]

Please re-read the whole thread. You entered the thread to discuss my opinions, not those of Paul. I did not view the video. Do you think that David, the OP, watched it in full? He just posted the link without a single line comment and from then on posted on sound for money of turntables and LPs!

Paul’s opinion is that he listens to streaming and thinks there’s something going on with sound quality. He admits he doesn’t know what it is and so he speculated it has something to do with compression because of the cost of storage and transmission of data. He thinks as possible that the companies want to lower those costs. That would indeed be an interesting topic to discuss. I wondered the same thing when it came to understanding the dialogue on my TV.

 

[7ryder]

Andromedaaudio said physical media, streaming is not physical media in anyone’s book.

Reread his post, the word "physical" isn't in it.

 

[microstrip]

I'm not sure how you declared vinyl the winner... Looks like it's streaming to me (this info is in the article you shared)

RankMusic formatsRevenue in 2021

1Streaming$11.5 billion
2Vinyl$1.0 billion
3CD$0.6 billion
4Downloads$0.5 billion
Other$1.4 billion

Total$15.1 billion

Or digital music possession (CD + downloads) (.6+.5 = 1.1 billion)
The graph 1973 - 2021 is very interesting - the orange peak (CD) is really impressive.

 

[Gregadd]

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A little bit of topic but regarding physical medium sales i think vinyl is the winner.
If i look at the shops these days half of the shop is filled with vinyl the rest CD s.

Oops i should have addressed vinyl. I think you have to concede it remains a niche market. It is also facing a fierce rebound by digital.

 

[microstrip]

Paul’s opinion is that he listens to streaming and thinks there’s something going on with sound quality. He admits he doesn’t know what it is and so he speculated it has something to do with compression because of the cost of storage and transmission of data. He thinks as possible that the companies want to lower those costs. That would indeed be an interesting topic to discuss. I wondered the same thing when it came to understanding the dialogue on my TV.

Thanks for summarizing - no one debated his speculation! The argument of "compression because of the cost of storage and transmission of data" was beat to dead when debating MCA and was shown to be non relevant nowadays.

 

[Audire]

Paul’s opinion is that he listens to streaming and thinks there’s something going on with sound quality. He admits he doesn’t know what it is and so he speculated it has something to do with compression because of the cost of storage and transmission of data. He thinks as possible that the companies want to lower those costs. That would indeed be an interesting topic to discuss. I wondered the same thing when it came to understanding the dialogue on my TV.

I found this interesting concerning Qobuz,

Dire Straits – Money For Nothing – Review (Tidal Dolby Atmos, LP, CD, Qobuz, 1988, 1996 remastered 2022)

Released in 1988, Money For Nothing is a compilation of the best songs from the first 5 Dire Straits studio albums. After a first remastering in 1996, it returns today with a new remastering in str…

magicvinyldigital.net

 

[andromedaaudio]

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Reread his post, the word "physical" isn't in it.

You havent read my original post good ,its been in there all along .
(I havent changed my post ).

Besides watching videos reading posts can improve as well lol

 

[PeterA]

I found this interesting concerning Qobuz,

Dire Straits – Money For Nothing – Review (Tidal Dolby Atmos, LP, CD, Qobuz, 1988, 1996 remastered 2022)

Released in 1988, Money For Nothing is a compilation of the best songs from the first 5 Dire Straits studio albums. After a first remastering in 1996, it returns today with a new remastering in str…

magicvinyldigital.net

Yes, very interesting. Thank you for posting the link. It seems that perhaps there is something to Paul’s speculation about compression, at least in this case, and that total balance in the higher frequencies on the streaming version does not look good.

 

[wil]

But it doesn’t fit Paul McGowan’s thesis does it? Maybe I don’t follow what he’s saying. Isn’t he talking about compression for the sake of smaller data storage? This is about dynamic compression.

They surely screwed up that dire straits album, though.

Fortunately for me, I don’t listen to much commercial music which is what tends to be compressed.

 

[rando]

Has it been given considerate weight that streaming varies? Regional IP through country specific site in use right on through to personal firewall and AV. Invisible layers of security without any doubt touch every bit of web data. Will probably only grow more prominent.

There is a lot of infrastructure lying outside relatively low value streaming companies control. There is a lot work constantly being done to maintain and upgrade it that mostly works seamlessly despite running on older hardware or copies during operational changes. Not so long ago telephone or another service could go out for a week straight in many places.

Much ado about, potential injections justifying article on, nothing solid.

 

[PYP]

Sometimes Qobuz has several different high resolution versions. If I like the album, I will listen to the first track in all the versions. There have been a few times when the highest resolution isn't the best one. I'm assuming this is the result of different masters used for the versions. An analysis should not be based upon such a small sample if the result is going to be generalized.

 

[tima]

My issue with your lumping together LP sales after the industry began cutting vinyl records from digital sources is that it (unintentionally perhaps) implies that the industry's conversion to digital did not harm record sales, whereas I think if you compare not only the rate of growth in LP sales of the major industry outlets with the growth in record sales of those specialist outlets that release strictly analogue tape master to LP cutter or Direct-To-Disc records like Acoustic Sounds, fone' , Berliner Meister Schallplatten, etc., but also who was buying from each, then I would speculate that there would be a larger percentage growth, certainly since 2000, in the specialist group dealing with pure analogue (my speculation only, I am sure someone here will no-doubt find evidence of an error on my part).

Perhaps. I used RIAA data. I don't think they break out 'pure-analogue' and digital-somewhere-in-the-chain analog in their physical media sales statistics for vinyl.

 

[tima]

Oops i should have addressed vinyl. I think you have to concede it remains a niche market. It is also facing a fierce rebound by digital.

Vinyl abides.