"If you don't have a $200k [speaker]..."

[bonzo75]

especially when it comes to the bass,

This is true of all speakers irrespective of price. This thread was not about set up skills and individual’s resolve but about speakers > 200k. The point is, well set up, speaker to speaker that will have no advantage in fact issues will be introduced after going beyond a certain point due to the complexity added

 

[JackD201]

That is where you are simply dead wrong. Sorry but when you are optimizing ever bit of tiny output available you have much less flexibility. Low power comes with its own challenges. Again you downplay this just to try to win an argument and in doing so trivialize the skill and efforts of those that have succeeded. You would be better served acknowledging that instead of trashing everything else to prop up your position.

 

[bonzo75]

That is where you are simply dead wrong. Sorry but when you are optimizing ever bit of tiny output available you have much less flexibility. Low power comes with its own challenges. Again you downplay this just to try to win an argument and in doing so trivialize the skill and efforts of those that have succeeded. You would be better served acknowledging that instead of trashing everything else to prop up your position.

no not all, haven’t met someone who has succeeded then at that price especially relative to those who excelled beyond them at lower prices. But then no surprise that those with more experience who chose their wares smartly excelled while those with lesser experience misled by price tags did not do as well

 

[JackD201]

Let me remind you that this is a 200k speaker thread, That means all 200k speakers. Something your bias blinded you too. That makes your last post centering on the cost of speakers relative to speaker topology moot. A 200 box, a 200 planar, a 200 horn, a 200 line array are all 200 loudspeaker.

Fine divert to another attack. Now people here are so stupid that price automatically means something is better. Hey, not saying there aren't people who just want to show off big bank accounts the way the Youtoober in the OP allegedly does but this is WBF not Instagram, not ticktock and not Youtube. A big expensive stereo does not bring you the street cred of an equivalently priced car or timepiece. Nor does it here. Here success is best described in terms of that system owner's outcome relative to his goal. Not YOUR standards, THEIRS. Knowing full well that no perfect system exists and that we are all making compromises regardless of price. Different challenges just need different solutions and THAT is the cause of our divergences.

If you insist on making accusations, well name names then. When you do, you had better have a full grasp of what the system goals are for that particular system set by that owner. Lets have a real discussion instead of mangled truisms the truly experienced would have better sense to write with clear qualifiers. I'm calling bullshit on you saying crap like guys with 7 ft speakers who only listen to digital and all that which simply serve to paint yourself as ignorantly judgemental.

It's simple. If you want us to believe that you can build a system by grabbing a piece you liked from systems you've visited, put them in a system of your own and get the cumulative results without putting the work in, just isn't going to happen. You've been walking into systems where the work is being done or has been done. You appear to be magically assigning attributes and weights to pieces with gear without experience on how wildly results can vary due to the multitude of possible component interactions. Get your hands dirty and see for yourself the variability of room/system/power interactions. Let's see how you'll handle a large transient when your woofers suck away the power meant for your midrange and tweeter. Work the parameters that will mitigate this go right ahead. You will see the complexities added by low power To manage what little you have. The intricacies of the design of the horns themselves, the length of the lines, the taper, the proper curvatures to get coherence with your horn with the woofers. Aaaah and that is just the beginning as you lay the foundation. Much as I hate your style I do not hate you and wish you all the best.

 

[bonzo75]

Let me remind you that this is a 200k speaker thread, That means all 200k speakers. Something your bias blinded you too. That makes your last post centering on the cost of speakers relative to speaker topology moot. A 200 box, a 200 planar, a 200 horn, a 200 line array are all 200 loudspeaker.

Fine divert to another attack. Now people here are so stupid that price automatically means something is better. Hey, not saying there aren't people who just want to show off big bank accounts the way the Youtoober in the OP allegedly does but this is WBF not Instagram, not ticktock and not Youtube. A big expensive stereo does not bring you the street cred of an equivalently priced car or timepiece. Nor does it here. Here success is best described in terms of that system owner's outcome relative to his goal. Not YOUR standards, THEIRS. Knowing full well that no perfect system exists and that we are all making compromises regardless of price. Different challenges just need different solutions and THAT is the cause of our divergences.

If you insist on making accusations, well name names then. When you do, you had better have a full grasp of what the system goals are for that particular system set by that owner. Lets have a real discussion instead of mangled truisms the truly experienced would have better sense to write with clear qualifiers. I'm calling bullshit on you saying crap like guys with 7 ft speakers who only listen to digital and all that which simply serve to paint yourself as ignorantly judgemental.

It's simple. If you want us to believe that you can build a system by grabbing a piece you liked from systems you've visited, put them in a system of your own and get the cumulative results without putting the work in, just isn't going to happen. You've been walking into systems where the work is being done or has been done. You appear to be magically assigning attributes and weights to pieces with gear without experience on how wildly results can vary due to the multitude of possible component interactions. Get your hands dirty and see for yourself the variability of room/system/power interactions. Let's see how you'll handle a large transient when your woofers suck away the power meant for your midrange and tweeter. Work the parameters that will mitigate this go right ahead. You will see the complexities added by low power To manage what little you have. The intricacies of the design of the horns themselves, the length of the lines, the taper, the proper curvatures to get coherence with your horn with the woofers. Aaaah and that is just the beginning as you lay the foundation. Much as I hate your style I do not hate you and wish you all the best.

sorry, I am not pulling pieces together from different systems at all. For example, when I receive the Dava, I will ship it to three systems including two where I will get to hear the full front to back set up of systems I have liked.I have moved things multiple times across locations to try and find synergy of things I like together. If you think I am building the horn myself, forget it. I am assembling what can be done easily and then getting an expert to help. Yes, future changes I will try by myself as long as I can return to base when astray, the changes are part of any audiophile itch. Generally, your style of debate seems to be 90 percent discredit with no relevant facts and then mix things up into a long post. Bored now.

 

[andromedaaudio]

The big question remains ...
Will we ever see a Bonzo horn in our lifetime ?

 

[Golum]

200k for speakers? What about 165k for Porsche 4 Cabrio with 6k extra for Burmester HiFi and while driving around Cote'd'Azur on a sunny day with a wind in my hair a nice blonde is whispering something in my ears...kind of like that scenario more

 

[Lagonda]

200k for speakers? What about 165k for Porsche 4 Cabrio with 6k extra for Burmester HiFi and while driving around Cote'd'Azur on a sunny day with a wind in my hair a nice blonde is whispering something in my ears...kind of like that scenario more

You can do both at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive !

 

[Golum]

You can do both at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive !

Agree - but if I need to pick and choose I select option 2

 

[Maril555]

200k for speakers? What about 165k for Porsche 4 Cabrio with 6k extra for Burmester HiFi and while driving around Cote'd'Azur on a sunny day with a wind in my hair a nice blonde is whispering something in my ears...kind of like that scenario more

That option is far less likely, I'm afraid, even if it is more affordable

 

[andromedaaudio]

200k for speakers? What about 165k for Porsche 4 Cabrio with 6k extra for Burmester HiFi and while driving around Cote'd'Azur on a sunny day with a wind in my hair a nice blonde is whispering something in my ears...kind of like that scenario more

Proves once again that horns arent the best , i have never seen a automobile with a horn .
( Besides the claxon off course , which is obviously annoying)

As you say.

Porsche with Burmester.
Bentley with naim .
Mclaren used to have meridian now Bowers and wilkins .
Rolls royce bespoke audio system
Kharma used to be in the now deceased Spyker cars .
I have yet to see a car with a Klipsch , lol

 

[PYP]

200k for speakers? What about 165k for Porsche 4 Cabrio with 6k extra for Burmester HiFi and while driving around Cote'd'Azur on a sunny day with a wind in my hair a nice blonde is whispering something in my ears...kind of like that scenario more

Given how subjective audio is, I'm surprised no one has said redheads are better...

 

[Lagonda]

That option is far less likely, I'm afraid, even if it is more affordable

If you lease instead of buy, it becomes more affordable!

 

[PYP]

If you lease instead of buy, she/it becomes more affordable!

shame on you!

 

[Lagonda]

Proves once again that horns arent the best , i have never seen a automobile with a horn .
( Besides the claxon off course , which is obviously annoying)

As you say.

Porsche with Burmester.
Bentley with naim .
Mclaren used to have meridian now Bowers and wilkins .
Rolls royce bespoke audio system
Kharma used to be in the now deceased Spyker cars .
I have yet to see a car with a Klipsch , lol

Lamborghini with Alpine ! Both purchases, not leases !

 

[cjfrbw]

JackD comes back and immediately winds up in a brawl. Shoulda been on pay per view.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Lamborghini with Alpine ! Both purchases, not leases ! View attachment 104123 View attachment 104124

Did you have one ?

 

[PYP]

Lamborghini with Alpine ! Both purchases, not leases ! View attachment 104123 View attachment 104124

La Dolce Vita?

 

[cjfrbw]

A friend of mine in Santa Cruz, has owned several Porsches, talking to another Porsche buddy: "Women are so shallow. Everything they say about women and sports cars is true."
They both nod and laugh.

 

[andromedaaudio]

La Dolce Vita?

Plus Lamborghini has a V10 sound system in the back