Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[andromedaaudio]

Yes, we listened to some rock on David‘s system to see how it would sound on that system. We did not compare different pressings of the same rock record to make some judgment about re-issue versus original.

How is Tang doing with his system , happy ??
I havent read his long term owners report

 

[Al M.]

very few can acquire the expensive originals. It is fine to have reissues. I think the discussion is which is sonically better, not which one can afford.

Ron confused that originals are any originals including 70s pop, same way as Al M thought after comparing 70s pop at Ron’s that “golden era” vinyl is not necessarily as good.

What are you so upset about, Ked, and who is confusing what?

You may adhere to a common audiophile concept of the golden era of vinyl from the 1950s and 1960s, but this is not the only definition.

When I talked about the golden era of vinyl, being well aware of the audiophile concept, I clearly specified it in my post as "prior to the advent of digital", which includes 70s vinyl as well.

Here are some other definitions:

The History of Vinyl Records: From Edison to Modern Times

Discover the fascinating story of the history of vinyl records - from their early beginnings to their rise, fall, and ultimate resurgence in the digital age.

vinylbox.co

"The golden age of vinyl records, which spanned from the 1950s to the 1980s, is widely regarded as a defining period in the history of recorded music. During this time, vinyl records were at the forefront of popular culture, influencing fashion, art, and societal values."

101 ESSENTIAL ROCK RECORDS: THE GOLDEN AGE OF VINYL FROM THE BEATLES TO THE SEX PISTOLS - FIRST PAPERBOUND EDITION SIGNED BY AUTHOR JEFF GOLD - Gold, Jeff & Gene Sculatti | Arcana: Books on the Arts

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"101 Essential Rock Records: The Golden Age of Vinyl from The Beatles to the Sex Pistols."

 

[bonzo75]

Hi Al, you can Google whatever definitions you want. I am upset that there are people making participative comments from arm chair without any due diligence and passing them off as their subjective opinions.

 

[Al M.]

Hi Al, you can Google whatever definitions you want. I am upset that there are people making participative comments from arm chair without any due diligence and passing them off as their subjective opinions.

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?

I have the facts on my side: Not everyone uses the same definition of "golden age of vinyl".

This has nothing to do with "comments from an arm chair without any due diligence". I did follow due diligence and specified in my post back then what I meant. I didn't just throw in the term golden age without explanation.

 

[bonzo75]

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?

I have the facts on my side: Not everyone uses the same definition of "golden age of vinyl".

This has nothing to do with "comments from an arm chair without any due diligence". I did follow due diligence and specified in my post back then what I meant. I didn't just throw in the term golden age without explanation.

you are always more interested in arguing than learning, that’s your loss. For me a mild irritant to read these posts.

 

[Al M.]

you are always more interested in arguing than learning, that’s your loss. For me a mild irritant to read these posts.

Interesting. Who was arguing in the first place about the definition of the "golden age of vinyl", Ked?

And it seems you who doesn't want to learn. For example, how other people define the era.

 

[PeterA]

How is Tang doing with his system , happy ??
I havent read his long term owners report

I am not aware that Tang has written a long term owner’s report. His videos are certainly good.

 

[bonzo75]

Interesting. Who was arguing in the first place about the definition of the "golden age of vinyl", Ked?

And it seems you who doesn't want to learn. For example, how other people define the era.

the vinyl is the point. There is a golden era for classical, which is different for rock. The golden era for decca is around a specific period for certain SXL numbers. Other labels might have slightly different periods. Mono period, stereo period, both differ. You have zero clue or compares done of proper originals.

Why don’t you simply write about the actual LPs compared Instead of broad statements? If you show some compares, people will understand your experience and then maybe accept broader statements.

 

[PeterA]

I remember comparing three or four versions of Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue at MadFloyd‘s house with Ian and Al a couple years ago. Despite its condition, the best sounding one for me was certainly the original pressing. It was mostly about the sound of the bass and the sense of liveliness.

 

[Al M.]

the vinyl is the point. There is a golden era for classical, which is different for rock. The golden era for decca is around a specific period for certain SXL numbers. Other labels might have slightly different periods. Mono period, stereo period, both differ. You have zero clue or compares done of proper originals.

Beside the point.

Fact is, as I have said before, I have the facts on my side.

And yes, I am aware of your very narrow audiophile definition.

 

[Al M.]

I remember comparing three or four versions of Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue at MadFloyd‘s house with Ian and Al a couple years ago. Despite its condition, the best sounding one for me was certainly the original pressing. It was mostly about the sound of the bass and the sense of liveliness.

Yes, it was quite clear that in this case the original pressing was the best sounding one.

 

[PeterA]

Beside the point.

Fact is, as I have said before, I have the facts on my side.

And yes, I am aware of your very narrow audiophile definition.

Al, here on an audiophile site, and one dedicated to the HIEND industry, is not the audiophile (or record collector) definition of Golden Era vinyl the one most appropriate for our discussions? It is not clear to me why anyone is arguing about this stuff. Most record listeners on this site know to what Ked is referring.

It is like the discussion about "our classical aficionados" denigrating re-issues. Most people here buy what they can to get to the music they love, but they also recognize that originals generally sound better than reissues. Why parse so precisely a definition and argue to prove a point. It goes from "our classical aficionados" to TimA and PeterA? Really? It all seems so personal now.

What happened to the once worthwhile discussions about music and sound on this site, the discussions about what we actually hear from our records/CDs/files from our systems as we make changes and improve them to discover what is best (for us) and the sharing?

 

[bonzo75]

Yes, it was quite clear that in this case the original pressing was the best sounding one.

these things are quite obvious. You really can’t listen to these pressings where one will prefer one and the other something else sonically.

 

[Al M.]

Al, here on an audiophile site, and one dedicated to the HIEND industry, is not the audiophile (or record collector) definition of Golden Era vinyl the one most appropriate for our discussions? It is not clear to me why anyone is arguing about this stuff. Most record listeners on this site know to what Ked is referring.

It is like the discussion about "our classical aficionados" denigrating re-issues. Most people here buy what they can to get to the music they love, but they also recognize that originals generally sound better than reissues. Why parse so precisely a definition and argue to prove a point. It goes from "our classical aficionados" to TimA and PeterA? Really? It all seems so personal now.

What happened to the once worthwhile discussions about music and sound on this site, the discussions about what we actually hear from our records/CDs/files from our systems as we make changes and improve them to discover what is best (for us) and the sharing?

Well, Peter, it was Ked who at the time wanted to be particular about the argument, and wanted to argue about something that wasn't the point of my original post back then.

Am I now the bad guy? Apparently I am. Proud of it:

 

[PeterA]

Well, Peter, it was Ked who at the time wanted to be particular about the argument, and wanted to argue about something that wasn't the point of my original post back then.

Am I now the bad guy? Apparently I am. Proud of it:

It's not about good or bad, Al. It is just that these back and forths get tiresome and really have little to do with the thread topic, in this case "acoustically coupled audio recordings", otherwise simply known as system videos.

Personally, I like seeing three or four system videos of the same song over time in the same system, or the same song over different systems, to discuss the differences we hear.

For a moment there, I thought you posted a system video from your room, but alas, it was just something pulled off of YouTube and is not "acoustically coupled". Lots of those in this thread.

 

[Al M.]

It's not about good or bad, Al. It is just that these back and forths get tiresome and really have little to do with the thread topic, in this case "acoustically coupled audio recordings", otherwise simply knowns as system videos.

Sure, why don't you tell Ked then not to bring up tiresome old "arguments". He can't get over his grudges when someone doesn't use his preferred terms the way he wants it, can he?

 

[PeterA]

Sure, why don't you tell Ked then not to bring up tiresome old "arguments". He can't get over his grudges when someone doesn't use his preferred terms the way he wants it, can he?

Ked, listen to Al!

 

[QualioAudio]

Some manufacturers are brave enough to include video recordings of their speakers/systems. Here's one:

I can't help but wondering how the recording (microphone...) affects the sound because the end result is not very pleasant (listen on headphones), IMO (sounds thin and tinny). Would they be better served by a higher quality microphone & ADC ? Or is the recording revealing issues with the speaker ?

Here is the track on Qobuz: https://open.qobuz.com/track/96893173

Yes the mics do change a lot, but if you know your gear you can do quite realistic recordings. Here is our Qualio IQ speakers with 150 $ amp recorded with 1000$ mics + recorder and IMO it sounds very good to the point that I'm very comfortable publishing that video.

I record test videos for YouTube and you can hear the difference between gear. For example here

Where I test 8 different 4" full-range drivers. For my Youtube studio, I'm using 3000$ Schoeps mics and they are better

 

[Rexp]

Here's some potential reference playback:

 

[hopkins]

Here's some potential reference playback:

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Do you mean the track or the system, or both?