Rockport Lyra

Alpha121 · Feb 11, 2024

JiminGa said:
Alpha, Josh didn't "choose" to bring biwirable Orions to Robert. Robert requested them to use with his AQ Dragons which have main and bass cables.

Here's the excerpt from Robert Harley's review, he used the CH Precisions apparently. My point was that a conscious decision was made to run the Orions bi-amped.

"We decided to passively bi-amplify the Orion with the CH Precision M10 amplifiers. The M10’s remarkable configuration flexibility again proved its worth; the amplifier can be run as a 300W monoblock, in bridged mono mode for 1100W, as a 300Wpc stereo amplifier, or as a two-channel amplifier with passive or active bi-amping (the latter requires an optional input card). Most of my listening was via passive bi-amplification, although I did power the Orion with a single stereo amplifier because this is how most listeners will drive the speaker."

andromedaaudio · Feb 11, 2024

Alpha121 said:
Here's the excerpt from Robert Harley's review, he used the CH Precisions apparently. My point was that a conscious decision was made to run the Orions bi-amped.

"We decided to passively bi-amplify the Orion with the CH Precision M10 amplifiers. The M10’s remarkable configuration flexibility again proved its worth; the amplifier can be run as a 300W monoblock, in bridged mono mode for 1100W, as a 300Wpc stereo amplifier, or as a two-channel amplifier with passive or active bi-amping (the latter requires an optional input card). Most of my listening was via passive bi-amplification, although I did power the Orion with a single stereo amplifier because this is how most listeners will drive the speaker."

I bet the people at rockport laugh at all that reviewer nonsense behind closed doors
No wonder i never read TAS .

JiminGa · Feb 11, 2024

I was just going by what Jon and Josh told me in a discussion about bi wiring. I specifically asked about RH setup. Harley is committed to AQ bi wire. They don’t laugh, they are respectful, but it’s clear how they personally feel. They will happily provide what the customer wants. No percentage in being dogmatic about products they don’t sell and turn off potential customers.

andromedaaudio · Feb 11, 2024

JiminGa said:
I was just going by what Jon and Josh told me in a discussion about bi wiring. I specifically asked about RH setup. Harley is committed to AQ bi wire. They don’t laugh, they are respectful, but it’s clear how they personally feel. They will happily provide what the customer wants. No percentage in being dogmatic about products they don’t sell and turn off potential customers.

As far as i understand the orion has 2 connectors right " + - "??
Just to get this straight yes or no ?
If thats the case its designed to be used with ether one channel of a stereo amp or the one channel of a mono amplifier .
If a speaker is bi ampable it has 2 or more sets of connectors at the back and the internal wiring is different accordingly / designed to accomodate this .

What is RH doing?
Simply running 2 sets of speakerwire from the same connectors/ same amplifier ?

The only one having a laugh is probably Audioquest, as in them selling 2 sets of speakercables basically

Cincy2 · Feb 12, 2024

Each of my Orions have two set of lugs for amp connections. I use a pair of Nordost jumpers on each speaker to connect them as I am set up to run with one CH 10 amp.

Cincy

Kris · Feb 12, 2024

Cincy2 said:
Each of my Orions have two set of lugs for amp connections. I use a pair of Nordost jumpers on each speaker to connect them as I am set up to run with one CH 10 amp.

Cincy

How do you like CH M10s wirg Rockport ?
Also what is the linestage (preamp) you use ?

JiminGa · Feb 12, 2024

Standard is one set of binding posts. For an up charge you can get 2 sets for bi wiring. They don’t generally recommend this.

Cincy2 · Feb 12, 2024

Kris said:
How do you like CH M10s wirg Rockport ?
Also what is the linestage (preamp) you use ?

The CH M10's with the Orions present me with audio the likes of which I have never heard before in my 35 years in this hobby. They are end game products. I am using them with CH Precision's L10 pre amp.

Eric

PeterA · Feb 12, 2024

Cincy2 said:
The CH M10's with the Orions present me with audio the likes of which I have never heard before in my 35 years in this hobby. They are end game products. I am using them with CH Precision's L10 pre amp.

Eric

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Eric, did you used to have Magico M6? If so, what amplifiers and how would you describe the difference between the system you had before and this new one? In what ways is this new one more satisfying? Thank you.

andromedaaudio · Feb 12, 2024

Cincy2 said:
The CH M10's with the Orions present me with audio the likes of which I have never heard before in my 35 years in this hobby. They are end game products. I am using them with CH Precision's L10 pre amp.

Eric

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Nice set up

andromedaaudio · Feb 12, 2024

The Lyra is my favourite so far based on 2 years Munchen show and hearing them at Ultimate audio lisbon .
I d love to hear a pair of well set up Orions , the Orion set ups in munchen 23 were only so so to my ears .

I think they pair fantastic also with Gryphon Apex and R koda.

May be i ll go again this year to munich , i ve got a Free EU charge card after all with the Beamer

Kris · Feb 12, 2024

Cincy2 said:
The CH M10's with the Orions present me with audio the likes of which I have never heard before in my 35 years in this hobby. They are end game products. I am using them with CH Precision's L10 pre amp.

Eric

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Fantastic setup.
Looks like you got one of the very best systems .
No savings.
All top Class components.

I am thinking about the CH L10 or Soulution 727 or order 725
to pair it with Emm Labs MTRX2.
Will need to borrow it somwere to see the difference

andromedaaudio · Feb 12, 2024

Cincy2 said:
Each of my Orions have two set of lugs for amp connections. I use a pair of Nordost jumpers on each speaker to connect them as I am set up to run with one CH 10 amp.

Cincy

So what is your advantage then here , please explain or even better let RH explain his set up ?
A direct soldered wire internally is a better solution then a extra set of connectors / jumpers .
However will the shorter signal path be audible ??
Probably not .

JiminGa · Feb 13, 2024

Well I guess 2 10 gauge cables may have less resistance but it definitely is great for cable manufacturers. RH really likes his cable set up. No point in arguing with him if you are a speaker manufacturer

Cincy2 · Feb 13, 2024

PeterA said:
Eric, did you used to have Magico M6? If so, what amplifiers and how would you describe the difference between the system you had before and this new one? In what ways is this new one more satisfying? Thank you.

I had Magico M3's paired with MSB mono blocks and a Select II DAC. The system was very satisfying and should have been enough but.....I didn't think I was getting everything from the files I could and I was right. I can't assign the differences in what I'm hearing to any particular component unfortunately since I replaced the server, DAC, pre amp, amps, cables and interconnects, speakers and a complete set of room treatments. The differences could be attributable to any one of those or a combination. What I hear the most is superbly detailed trebles that are also dense and saturated. Think trumpets, clarinets, saxophones etc. They are realistic to a degree I have never heard with past systems. Nothing else came close.

Cincy2 · Feb 13, 2024

andromedaaudio said:
So what is your advantage then here , please explain or even better let RH explain his set up ?
A direct soldered wire internally is a better solution then a extra set of connectors / jumpers .
However will the shorter signal path be audible ??
Probably not .

This is the standard delivery configuration. Two sets of binding posts per speaker. I never questioned Rockport's decision.

JiminGa · Feb 13, 2024

Ok. The standard set up is 1 pair of binding posts. There is an up charge for a second set. In the case of Orion and Lyra it is $1,800. They provide these primarily to customers who already have a biamp set up. With 90 sensitivity and a minimum impedance of 3 ohms bi amping with Rockports is unnecessary. They do not recommend biwiring because they believe that amount of money is best spent elsewhere. Hope this helps.

andromedaaudio · Feb 13, 2024

I stop this discussion , its useless
One is saying 2 pair is standard and the other is saying 1 pair is standard per speaker

JiminGa · Feb 13, 2024

Andromeda my information comes directly from Rockport. Give Rockport a call. Jon will answer. Ask him yourself. You can get 2 for $1800. They don’t really care one way or the other. They have no skin in the biamp or biwire game. They make speakers for customers who have different requirements. I told you what they personally think but they’re happy with whatever you choose. They are good guys. No dogma.

andromedaaudio · Feb 13, 2024

JiminGa said:
They are good guys. No dogma.

I dont doubt that .
I dont give them a call i m not a customer .
I just asked a simple question on this forum and got 2 different answers lol thats all

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