"Do Vinyl Records Actually Sound Better Than CDs? We Take A Closer Look" in Slashgear

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An accurate account. This article highlights most of what has been said in the various analog versus digital threads and posts here. You can call vinyl anything you want, but don’t call it more accurate, compare to digital. Let’s face it, many like ketchup, salt , and pepper with their food and it is no different with music; where many find it more “natural”, pleasant and enjoyable once it has been distorted from the truth.
 
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wrong, as well as not being relevant to serious vinyl hobbyists. a waste of time other than for conflict fodder, if you are into that sort of thing. a dumbed down version of one side of the last few similar threads.

OTOH on a quiet Saturday afternoon i guess no big deal.
 
An accurate account. This article is what has been said in the various analog versus digital threads and posts here. You can call vinyl anything you want, but don’t call in more accurate, compare to digital. Let’s face it, many like ketchup, salt , and pepper with their food and it is no different with music; where many find it more “natural”, pleasant and enjoyable once it has been distorted from the truth.

The problem is “truth“ as a concept. The live performance is certainly the truth. is a recording of that live performance the truth? And then as listeners, we are judging our subjective perception against an objective truth.

I’m reminded of that original post where the author asked if he is delusional.
 
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wrong, as well as not being relevant to serious vinyl hobbyists. a waste of time other than for conflict fodder, if you are into that sort of thing.

OTOH on a quiet Saturday afternoon i guess no big deal.

Facts are facts. Hard to dispute what is stated in the article.
 
The problem is “truth“ as a concept. The live performance is certainly the truth. is a recording of that live performance the truth? And then as listeners, we are judging our subjective perception against an objective truth.

I’m reminded of that original post where the author asked if he is delusional.

Peter, in this case the truth is accuracy. How the final master is presented in both formats is what is being judged. It is not about the “live performance” it is about how accurately the Mastering engineer’s final mix is presented to the listeners through both formats. One format more accurately conveys the sound when compared to the other. That is it.
 
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Peter, in this case the truth is accuracy. How the final master is presented in both formats is what is being judged. It is not about the “live performance” it is about how accurately the Mastering engineer’s final mix is presented to the listeners through both formats. One format is more accurately conveys the sound when compare to the other. That is it.

Carlos, that is your approach. Another’s goal might not be to replicate what is on the recording, but to come as close to the live performance, based on his memory, as possible.

These are two very distinct approaches, and I would say equally valid.
 
Carlos, that is your approach. Another’s goal might not be to replicate what is on the recording, but to come as close to the live performance, based on his memory, as possible.

These are two very distinct approaches, and I would say equally valid.

Sure. This is your goal.

My goal is also a deviation I want my recordings to sound “live”, “raw”, “more detailed”, and more engaging than what the original mastering engineer produced.

Both are a deviations from accuracy, but this does not change the fact that vinyl playback is a compilation of distortions of the original sound. That is all. There is nothing to really to debate other than to accept the fact that vinyl playback adds distortions that are euphoric. That’s all.
 
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The article contains a lot of misinformation; opinions proffered as objective facts; disingenuous arguments; ignorant and misleading "defenses" to alleged criticisms of vinyl; totally gratuitous and irrelevant politics; advocacy for government control of private manufacturing; and even some laughable vinyl may be giving you and your family cancer hysteria.

This article is the least informed and most misleading article on this subject I've ever read. Add to that the gratuitous political and economic advocacy . . . and I regret starting this thread!
 
Just what we need, another analog is better than digital thread in any form; we didn't have enough of those.
 
I don't have a turntable but have a question if those of you who do will tolerate one. My question is to the statement in the article that stylus wear down/need replacing around 500 hours. I have a hard time fathoming that being the case as it translates into roughly only 1.36 hours per day of listening over the course of a year. I'd appreciate your insights on that. Thank you
 
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Carlos, that is your approach. Another’s goal might not be to replicate what is on the recording, but to come as close to the live performance, based on his memory, as possible.

These are two very distinct approaches, and I would say equally valid.

I will disagree the two approaches are equally valid. One has comparators, the other does not.

I can compare what I hear on my stereo with what I believe is the sound of live acoustic music.
To what do I compare to assess accuracy?

Or, from a different angle, in terms of listening, replicating what is on the recording (or 'accuracy' if you will) is a nonsense goal.
 
The recording enginners of the late 50s had a new technology and access to the artists of generation that came from a bygone era of classical performance. The goal was to record as best as possible for today and posterity. The rest, as they say, is commentary.
 
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I don't have a turntable but have a question if those of you who do will tolerate one. My question is to the statement in the article that stylus wear down/need replacing around 500 hours. I have a hard time fathoming that being the case as it translates into roughly only 1.36 hours per day of listening over the course of a year. I'd appreciate your insights on that. Thank you

Its about the same 500 hrs needed for the next new Digital/software upgrade ..!

:)
 
What's your question?

Assuming proper setup and adjustments as warranted, and appropriate care taken what is the validity of the statement in the article that stylus need to be replaced around 500 hours within the context of high end cartridges? Depending upon one's listening habits the 500 hours suggests a year or less of use and an expensive replacement proposition.
 
Assuming proper setup and adjustments as warranted, and appropriate care taken what is the validity of the statement in the article that stylus need to be replaced around 500 hours within the context of high end cartridges? Depending upon one's listening habits the 500 hours suggests a year or less of use and an expensive replacement proposition.

I think you mean to ask if the claim is true rather than if the claim is valid. No argument is given for the claim against which validity could be assessed -- other than some vague notion of friction and things wearing out over time.

"Intuitively, it makes sense that vinyl records degrade ever so slightly as you listen to them. The stylus on a turntable is made out of diamond or sapphire, and scrapes along a comparatively soft PVC plastic. That scraping creates friction and heat that dislodges PVC material at a microscopic level. For reference, the needle itself wears out and requires replacement after as little as 500 hours of playing time, so imagine how the PVC is feeling after being played even just a few dozen times. Especially where it concerns those delicate details like high frequencies."
-- https://www.slashgear.com/1599756/do-vinyl-records-actually-sound-better-than-cds/

Cartridges can be re-tipped to acquire a fresh stylus instead of throwing away the entire cartridge. Cost varies.

So we can do it this way ...

Q: Is it true that stylii have a 500 hour life span?
A: Hard to say but as a generalization for all cartridges, false.

Stylus lifespan depends on many factors and variables, a few of which are: stylus shape, stylus composition (typically diamond), stylus quality, vertical tracking force, condition on the vinyl record surface, frequency of stylus care/cleaning.

Then there is the question of what counts as wear sufficient to declare a stylus tip worn out?

Numerous individuals and some companies have done studies on the topic of stylus wear. For example, Shure's advice from 1978 on lifespan is all over the map and also it has evolved over time. You will find 500 hours, 500 to 800 hours, 600 to 800 hours, 800 to 1,000 hours, and 500 to 1,000 hours (pdf). Jonathan Carr of Lyra cartridge manufacturey said you should get 3000 hours from an Ogara PA stylus shape, Namiki Microline shape a bit less (ref). Mike Bodell's article is a great source. There is a long thread on the Hoffman site that covers the topic.

Fwiw, imo, the OP's article is fraught with so much misinformation that it discredits its publisher. Members of the digerati looking for clickbait or diss on analog should find higher quality information to serve them better.
 
An accurate account. This article highlights most of what has been said in the various analog versus digital threads and posts here. You can call vinyl anything you want, but don’t call it more accurate, compare to digital. Let’s face it, many like ketchup, salt , and pepper with their food and it is no different with music; where many find it more “natural”, pleasant and enjoyable once it has been distorted from the truth.

No one that has actually heard proper, let alone state of the art vinyl playback believes this Carlos!
 
No one that has actually heard proper, let alone state of the art vinyl playback believes this Carlos!
Let’s ask @Mcsnare how accurately are his final mix master represented in both vinyl and digital format. As a mastering engineer, Dave McNair is in the best position to assess how his final mix master translate to both vinyl and digital playback. Hard to debate his experience.

Perhaps Dave can review the article on the original post and give his opinion on it.

Oh and by the way, I have heard most of the state of the art vinyl playback systems personally. If you ever make it to Shanghai, China, Oslo, Norway, London, Amsterdam, Munich, Vienna, New York, Zurich, Frankfurt, Singapore and the many other places that I have been to, you can listening to all of the most opulent vinyl playback systems and come away with the same impression.
 
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No one that has actually heard proper, let alone state of the art vinyl playback believes this Carlos!

I should have also mentioned that having spent my youth in the 80’s, I grew up only listening to and collecting vinyl records and loving how they sound. Till this day, I own three high-end turntable setups and love the way that vinyl records sound. I also love the sound of magnetic tape, so much that I emulate its qualities in my big system. Loving the sound of both vinyl and magnetic playback does not blind me to the fact that I listening to a colored sound that is euphoric. That is all, it is not so hard to understand that both vinyl and magnetic tape playback distort the sound and the fact that they do it in a pleasing way does not eliminate the deviation from the original sound.
 

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