16/44 vs 24/96. Which sounds better in streaming ?

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I am new to streaming (Tidal in Roon). I compared the same titles there with different versions ..and I find the 16/44 usually sound better and more engaging than the hi-res versions (24/96 and higher). The hi-res versions have a wider soundstage but sound a bit lean and artificial to my ears. I don't know the reasons why.
Do most people stream in native resolution or hi-res?
 
I am new to streaming (Tidal in Roon). I compared the same titles there with different versions ..and I find the 16/44 usually sound better and more engaging than the hi-res versions (24/96 and higher). The hi-res versions have a wider soundstage but sound a bit lean and artificial to my ears. I don't know the reasons why.
Do most people stream in native resolution or hi-res?

1. Best will be whichever streaming file is closest to the native format of the recording.
2. If both are native then the higher rez will be better with a quality dac….assuming good network and low system noise floor.
 
1. Best will be whichever streaming file is closest to the native format of the recording.
2. If both are native then the higher rez will be better with a quality dac….assuming good network and low system noise floor.
Thanks. I am not sure how to find out what’s the native resolution of titles in Tidal. Also, would what’s native in these streaming apps correspond to how the songs were originally recorded?
 
Thanks. I am not sure how to find out what’s the native resolution of titles in Tidal. Also, would what’s native in these streaming apps correspond to how the songs were originally recorded?
I can see different versions or formats of the album in Roon. Problem is how to know which format is “native” if there is such a thing.
 
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I can see different versions or formats of the album in Roon. Problem is how to know which format is “native” if there is such a thing.
it does take a little digging, but it's rare you can't figure it out. google is your friend. not many recordings are at native16/44, but a few are. when you investigate a recording or record label there ought to be more clues, and then you can check with HD Tracks but don't take it as gospel as they have been known to up-sample.

when you are using Roon and look at versions; the absolute best way to figure out what is native is......drum roll please......listen to the various choices. if you have a dac that is not slanted toward a particular format, your system is reasonable and has low noise.....it should be somewhat obvious. with my digital it's almost always obvious to me. and that is where time and again the high rez is superior to the 16/44. or if the source was high rez PCM, and you are listening to a dsd file, it is obvious that the PCM is better as many/most dsd files are PCM sourced.

it's probably more valuable to realize that with streaming don't blame the messenger. your streaming might be close to transparent, but the files will vary widely. until you have done a bit of this stuff, it's hard to point fingers at your hardware or network. once you get a feel for how this goes then it makes more sense and it's easier to quickly discover the best way to hear the music you like.
 
16-bit/44.1kHz audio is just as good

 
1. Best will be whichever streaming file is closest to the native format of the recording.
2. If both are native then the higher rez will be better with a quality dac….assuming good network and low system noise floor.
Yes, I see that too. With dithering, the recording is blown up from 16bit to 24bit. In quiet passages of the music, you get more linearity and less distorsion and also a bit of bandwidth, but the homogeneity of the music suffers in my opinion. Native sounds more like real music.
 
16-bit/44.1kHz audio is just as good

no, it's not.

watched this before. but sorry, does not change what you hear. have literally thousands, even millions, of examples. i take a YouTube video like that as a data point. stacked on all my other data points. it's not nothing, but it's not the final word either. we don't listen to theory.

believe your eyes, or your mind, or your ears. up to you. we can debate why things happen. but we hear what does actually happen.

OTOH native resolution of the recording or transfer also sounds better always. more musical essence retained. easy to hear. trumps resolution advantages.

why do mastering processes for vinyl trying to retain the optimal analog sound use the highest rez? they are objective? right? or bowing to a myth?

come on over and listen with me and then try to rationalize what you hear with that video. i do have some superb native 16/44 files of recordings of relatively simple music that sound great. no dispute it can be very good. but those recordings would be a bit (sorry :rolleyes:) better at higher native resolutions. CD only listening can be excellent. the disc media has some advantages for sure. this is a different case than the streaming resolutions question. many/most CD's begin life as higher rez native files. just how they do it.
 
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no, it's not.

watched this before. but sorry, does not change what you hear. have literally thousands, even millions, of examples. i take a YouTube video like that as a data point. stacked on all my other data points. it's not nothing, but it's not the final word either. we don't listen to theory.

believe your eyes, or your mind, or your ears. up to you. we can debate why things happen. but we hear what does actually happen.

OTOH native resolution of the recording or transfer also sounds better always. more musical essence retained. easy to hear. trumps resolution advantages.

why do mastering processes for vinyl trying to retain the optimal analog sound use the highest rez? they are objective? right? or bowing to a myth?

come on over and listen with me and then try to rationalize what you hear with that video. i do have some superb native 16/44 files of recordings of relatively simple music that sound great. no dispute it can be very good. but those recordings would be a bit (sorry :rolleyes:) better at higher native resolutions. CD only listening can be excellent. the disc media has some advantages for sure. this is a different case than the streaming resolutions question. many/most CD's begin life as higher rez native files. just how they do it.
I agree remastered or highest rez does not mean it sounds better. My listening buddies and I have felt for the longest time that redbook msot of the time is better ...period.
THis is the audiophile narrative if one is good than 10 has to be better. Sorry but this is not true.
LOL its a Yogi.ism . If anyone knows what that means
BTW I am entirely digital and a WADAXIAN!
 
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Thanks. I am not sure how to find out what’s the native resolution of titles in Tidal. Also, would what’s native in these streaming apps correspond to how the songs were originally recorded?
You can sign up to Qobuz without subscribing to a streaming package. Qobuz usually has the native hi-res version. This track is on Tidal at 16/44.1 and 24/48 (native):



Which do you prefer?
 
why do mastering processes for vinyl trying to retain the optimal analog sound use the highest rez? they are objective? right? or bowing to a myth?
there's also a video about that :)


it does not contradict what you had said
1. Best will be whichever streaming file is closest to the native format of the recording.
 
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then you can check with HD Tracks but don't take it as gospel as they have been known to up-sample.
I have never known HDTracks to "upsample"..... I know alot of the SACD's were recorded in a lower sample rate and HDTracks sold the material as 176.4 or 88.2, which were the files I gave them. It was the LABELS that recorded the lower rez files and upsampled the material to DSD for SACD production. It wasn't until I started checking them that we found this out. Even Chad at AP sold the Nils Lofgren SACD(and dozens more), knowing that it was recorded at 44.1
 
Not all but for some releases on Qobuz 16/44.1 version sounds better than 24/192 and regular is better than remastered. And for others exactly the opposite is true, high res version is better. I don’t think a generalization like Cd resolution is better than high res is true. IMHO it’s about processing and transferring. Less processed and better transferred sounds superior even it’s only Cd res.
 
Not all but for some releases on Qobuz 16/44.1 version sounds better than 24/192 and regular is better than remastered. And for others exactly the opposite is true, high res version is better. I don’t think a generalization like Cd resolution is better than high res is true. IMHO it’s about processing and transferring. Less processed and better transferred sounds superior even it’s only Cd res.
Are there easier ways to tell which versions on these streaming platforms sound better than actually needing to listen/compare one by one ?
 
Are there easier ways to tell which versions on these streaming platforms sound better than actually needing to listen/compare one by one ?
like anything, once you investigate things a few times and realize how things stack up, you won't need to check every time. unless your ears are disappointed. so the degree of effort diminishes the more you do it. but there is a time period where there is some hassle. but really no clear shortcuts to getting comfortable. look at it as fun and get your head around it.
 
one should never play tracks of different resolution one after another.
dacs of varying costs have been observed to adversely react and introduce soundstaging artefacts.
the sonic quality of the subsequent track (of a different resolution) can be affected.
this will not be fair to the 2nd track (regardless of lower/higher resolution) being compared to the first track

use a "climatizing" file in between the 2 tracks of different resolution.
if one is comparing a 44.1kHz/16-bit track against a 192kHz/24-bit track, it's best to insert another 192kHz/24-bit track in between
one can pre-choose "quiet" tracks with long intro silence/quiet passages for the purpose of "climatizing"

while 1st test track is playing, exit that album without pausing or stopping play
go to another album that is same resolution as the 2nd test track, choose a track and play briefly for a few seconds
exit this "climatizing" album without pausing/stopping play
enter into the 2nd test album, select the 2nd test track and play



N.B. the cause of dacs being affected adversely when it suddenly encountering a change in bit-rate/sampling rate is currently not known. but there is reason to suspect the problem may also lie in the disruption/discontinuation of the original 1st data stream that dacs have been receiving, and before a new data stream (of a different bit-rate/sampling rate) takes over. dacs have been observed to be affected adversely when incoming data stream is temporarily disrupted.



that is why one should never pause or stop play while exiting/enter another album to select the next track as it can affect sonic qualities.

one should also not interchange playing from Tidal and Qobuz as switching from one streaming to another can affect sonic qualities - usually in the form of soundstaging artefacts.
 
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If all of the above is true, it could trigger some serious Audio Nervosa OCD! Not to mention being a complete PITA.

I tend to listen to albums one at a time all the way through, so thankfully this is not something I would have to think about.

There are dac manufactures on this forum. I’d be interested to know if any of them have observed these phenomenon?
 

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