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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    I guess we can call the above "The Gospel According To Amir" ;-) Here's what the rest of the world says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codec_listening_test As they say Amir: "Make My Day" ;-)
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    That's right Amir. You had your chance to criticize my statement and the best you could do was come up with a bunch of unsupported, self-serving assertions. You've now had a second chance, and still no joy. I notice that even though it is stupidly easy to do so, you have not quoted me and...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    Frequency response this poor is unlikely to be just a noisy tube:
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    At no point did I mention dual tones. At no point did I picture just dual tones. Anybody who can count to at least three can see that my tests contained far more than just dual tones. Just to remind you, here is one of my graphs: How many tones are there, Amir?
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    Proof by means of self-serving unsupported assertion is always easy to fault on general grounds. That's interesting. So I can put you down as absolutely denying the idea that music is just a kind of multitone? Actually there is, but in the face of fully-winded such self-serving denial...
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    Whether you know it or not you're asking me which product measurements I trust. I trust measurements of DACs and amps more than I trust the measurements of speakers. Have I bought speakers after looking at just their measurements? Yes. Seems pretty silly to me. Of course its revealed truth...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    (1) Because he doesn't trust the gear. Frankly the gear used to be pretty limited and not trusting it thoroughly was a pretty good idea. (2) Because he doesn't trust his ability to exploit the gear, given that it is now generally pretty trustworthy. The counterpoint is that many of the...
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    Since it is essentially a law of physics, every valid measurement backs it up. I have done the work many times. It just takes time and work. I guess there may have been a serious omission in published tests. People haven't made a big point publishing the difference in power taken from the...
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    No we are not. We are talking about a general field of study and a profession. That field is Engineering which is hugely broad. The failings of specific individuals in this field is another matter. Now that is true, and I've seen the same many times and I have lamented about it on various...
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    One of the classic ways to show how perceptual coders trash audio signals is to measure their performance with multitones. Multitones are a closer simulation of music than small numbers of pure tones. They are a test tone that people have been trying to popularize in modern audio measurements...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    Z5U caps are well known to not be legitimate for use in the signal path, and inspection of quality gear, even low end mid fi, generally finds them only being used as power bypass capacitors which is far, far less likely to cause audible problems. The audible problems with these parts (when...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    They aren't. They are simply one means of many to evaluate objects. That is correct. I've never heard of anybody design some piece of audio gear or a system and not listen to it at number of times during the project and once it was complete. This is certainly true of my own work, and I am...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    Please send me your cables. Here is my address: Arnold B. Krueger, 1600 Prestwick Road, Grosse Pointe Woods MI 48236. I am a well known objectivist and I will listen to them and post my reactions.
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    Typical placebophile subjectivist conceit - they all seem to believe that objectivists don't listen. In fact the people who do DBTs are dedicated to just listening and not being distracted by non-audible influences. One could wish... ;-)
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    Objectivists - what REALLY makes your blood boil?

    Happily I had disposed of all of my legacy gear long before obtaining my last two dogs, so they never had to howl.\\ You think those are experiments? Please read up on experimental design: https://explorable.com/design-of-experiment"]https://explorable.com/design-of-experiment...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    When your opponent's first response to a technical question is either denial, double talk, irrelevant, and/or insults, it is Mother Nature's way of telling you that you have won the argument. I tend to listen to the Lady. ;-)
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    My dear man it is you that have taken the face plant, as my comments about high crest factor signals having relatively low amounts of average energy and thus being less stressful for audio gear to amplify cleanly is well known to second year EE students. This is so basic that Amir may even know...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    It seems to be all the rage among the placebophile subjectivists. I've actually measured some response to vibration in SS gear and also interconnects but it is not only way below audibility, it is generally darn tough to measure. One exception can be interconnects with defectively produced...
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    Obviously not that, because it is generally not true. Dynamic music-like signals with realistic crest factors don't generally stress equipment in ways which steady state periodic signals don't. In fact the opposite is more generally true. Steady state signals generally produce more stress...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    Thanks for pointing those ambiguities out. I think I have them all fixed up, now. Amir took another pratfall with this response:
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    Objectivists - what REALLY makes your blood boil?

    I've seen dozens of subjectivists do exactly the same thing. Especially bad are the vinyl and analog tape bigots.
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    Perhaps you Amir haven't seen them but I have done such measurements and I have seen them. You just have to measure the right thing which is usually few if any of the exact familiar measures that are used for traditional kinds of audio gear. Ignores the fact that there are wholly...
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    Harshness – What causes it? What relieves it?

    All of this discussion ignores that loudspeakers primarily couple with the air and everything else in the room through the sound that radiates from their drivers, waveguides, and ports. For an experiment, hang a loudspeaker from the ceiling via long pieces of nylon fishing line which decouples...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    Ignores the fact that wide acceptance over a period of time time makes a difference. Every worthwhile scientific discovery matures to the point where it is simply accepted as being reliable and everybody moves on. For example, does every mention of Newton's Laws of Motion or Calculus credit...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=107604&view=findpost&p=882554 http://www.madronadigital.com/Library/MarkLevinsonNo53Amplifier.html Reinventing the Audio Power Amplifier: Mark Levinson No 53 By Amir Majidimeh Because of my professional experience with computers...
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    Objectivists - what might be wrong with this label/viewpoint!!

    I have friends who justify their beliefs in Creationism with similar flawed rhetoric. I mean the statement above is ally itself self-contradictory as Engineering is a superset of the study of psychoacoustic principles. The study of Psychoacoustics is a subset of Engineering so there can...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    No place, because unlike you I know that absence of proof is not proof of absence. What I will criticize is your reliance on sighted evaluations in this article: http://www.madronadigital.com/Library/MarkLevinsonNo53Amplifier.html "In comparison testing I have done, switching amplifiers using...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    The joke is on you Amir, and your lack of reading comprehension. The post you quoted says: "...as I may erroneously or correctly infer..." IOW I said right up front that I was speaking speculatively. Amir do you know what Speaking Speculatively means? Amir, can you, even in your current...
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    Conclusive "Proof" that higher resolution audio sounds different

    As I have written dozens of times and as Amir now wants to pretend has never ever been said by me, almost immediately after we invented ABX 1982 tests in 1976-1977 and starting testing everything in sight starting in 1977, we recognized the need for listener training. One never gets hit with...

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