12AU7-ECC82 feedback

[Thieliste]

Hi guys, i would like to have feedbacks from people who have compared Telefunken ECC82 smooth long plates, Telefunken ECC802S, Siemens ECC82 Silver Plates and Amperex 7316.
Right now the only one i own is the Telefunken ECC82 Smooth Plates which i find very well balanced, smooth and very musical but not as transparent as my RCA Clear Top.
By the way i find RCA Clear Top not musical at all and pretty bright.
It is paired with 2 RCA 12AU7 Black long Plates as phase inverters and 2 RCA 12AX7 Black long Plates as drivers of KT120s in a Jadis DA88S integrated.
Will i gain anything by trying Teles 802S, Siemens Silver Plates or the famous Amperex 7316.
Please share your experience thanks.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Hi guys, i would like to have feedbacks from people who have compared Telefunken ECC82 smooth long plates, Telefunken ECC802S, Siemens ECC82 Silver Plates and Amperex 7316.
Right now the only one i own is the Telefunken ECC82 Smooth Plates which i find very well balanced, smooth and very musical but not as transparent as my RCA Clear Top.
By the way i find RCA Clear Top not musical at all and pretty bright.
It is paired with 2 RCA 12AU7 Black long Plates as phase inverters and 2 RCA 12AX7 Black long Plates as drivers of KT120s in a Jadis DA88S integrated.
Will i gain anything by trying Teles 802S, Siemens Silver Plates or the famous Amperex 7316.
Please share your experience thanks.

With 802s you get wider, deeper soundstage and a bit more dynamic. In the important mid-tone range, e.g. voices, I would describe it as the 802s producing a more pure tone than the smooth plate. For some singers it sounds as if they could have had a few more hours of singing lessons to get the notes right. But in the end I prefer the smooth plate because it connects you better with the music. My opinion.

 

[Thieliste]

With 802s you get wider, deeper soundstage and a bit more dynamic. In the important mid-tone range, e.g. voices, I would describe it as the 802s producing a more pure tone than the smooth plate. For some singers it sounds as if they could have had a few more hours of singing lessons to get the notes right. But in the end I prefer the smooth plate because it connects you better with the music. My opinion.View attachment 137645

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Interesting so the Smooth Plate is basically more engaging, you are more drawn into the music.
Any experience with E80CC in place of 12AU7 if your amp can take it ?
Many Thanks.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Interesting so the Smooth Plate is basically more engaging, you are more drawn into the music.
Any experience with E80CC in place of 12AU7 if your amp can take it ?
Many Thanks.

Yes i love them more then ecc802s,
I also like listening to it but after a few days I switch back to the smooth plate for me the best choice. But personal taste plays a big role. Old Siemens&Halske tubes produce a similar sound and a bit brighter.
Be careful
The E80CC is equivalent to an American 6085. This isn't, however, a 12AU7 /
ECC82. We're talking about a small double-triode, but one with very
different properties (i.e. mu of 37( gain) instead of 17, using 6mA plate current
on average instead of 11ma). In conventional R-C stages, it may be possible
to directly substitute the two without anything going drastically wrong, but
you'll probably end up with more gain than you need and a good bit of extra
distortion. An E80CC won't be able to give the same 'kick' as an ECC82 when
used as a driver in poweramps - it'll be putting out less power and with a higher anode
impedance.
a better replacement is the 12bh7a (gain 16) lower impendance more current. as driver really good or in outputstage of your preamp. the sound characteristics are more like a rocker than a telefunken fine sound. some times its really sound good in devices when you need more fullbody sound.
Attention: it requires twice the heating current of an ECC82. Make sure that the circuit can deliver it. With one tube this is not a problem, but with several in the device it can lead to destruction.

 

[Thieliste]

I will ask Jadis if it’s possible to try one single E80CC otherwise I won’t bother.
Regarding the Siemens I will definitely try that one thanks.

 

[Thieliste]

What do you guys think of Amperex 7316 compared to Telefunken Smooth Plates ?