Barclay Digital - the biggest scam of the 90s ?

BlueFox

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It pays to do your research and shop smart.
 

Elberoth

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Yes, the infameous Goldmund Eidos 18 BR player. They put a $300 Pioneer BR player inside their $4000 Eidos 18 model. So did Lexicon with Oppo.

Still, those manufacturers have introduced those models as their entry level oferings (probably beeing asked by their dealers) and never claimed they are state of the art.

What Barclay Digital did was just a blatant lie and mystification. Now imagine you bought this thing instead of Mark Levinson 31 ...
 

ack

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Wow
 
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(...) It exposes a dark side of High End audio that some steadfastly seem to refuse to acknowledge that it exists. Not all is healthy in this hobby of ours.
Well, IMHO it is a minority case from more than twenty years ago. What can we conclude from it? That forgeries and scams exist in expensive audio, as in all other expensive hobbies. We had several other well documented cases in the past, digital audio was a good candidate for scams at that period.

All we see in forums are references from cold cases, such as the usual radiographic images of network cables and poor quality components in expensive electronics. From the data exposed we could be lead to consider that currently the hobby is very healthy, it learned from the past! ;)
 

Kal Rubinson

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Well, IMHO it is a minority case from more than twenty years ago. .........................................From the data exposed we could be lead to consider that currently the hobby is very healthy, it learned from the past! ;)
I think your optimism is unjustified. There have been many similar cases since that time and it is unlikely that the existence of such dishonest behavior has disappeared. Perhaps, the egregiousness of this example is extreme but Lexicon's insertion of an intact Oppo player into their fancy case is no less dishonest. Today, it is easier to contract with a Chinese manufacturer to make a cheap but snazzy product but that just makes the misrepresentation more subtle.

Frankly, the audio Internet community is probably the best monitor of this behavior.
 
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I think your optimism is unjustified. There have been many similar cases since that time and it is unlikely that the existence of such dishonest behavior has disappeared. Perhaps, the egregiousness of this example is extreme but Lexicon's insertion of an intact Oppo player into their fancy case is no less dishonest. Today, it is easier to contract with a Chinese manufacturer to make a cheap but snazzy product but that just makes the misrepresentation more subtle.

Frankly, the audio Internet community is probably the best monitor of this behavior.
Another report of a public case from almost 10 years ago that is not high-end in my view.

IMHO the permanent survey from the Internet community is our best warranty for being an optimist. Chinese forgery is a problem, particularly in expensive cables and accessories - people trying to bypass common distribution channels to get bargains should not be optimists. :)

My point is that the number of such frauds and scams in the high-end is small, contrary to the beliefs of some people.
 
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Yes, the infameous Goldmund Eidos 18 BR player. They put a $300 Pioneer BR player inside their $4000 Eidos 18 model. So did Lexicon with Oppo.

Still, those manufacturers have introduced those models as their entry level oferings (probably beeing asked by their dealers) and never claimed they are state of the art.

What Barclay Digital did was just a blatant lie and mystification. Now imagine you bought this thing instead of Mark Levinson 31 ...
What you brought here in your first post is the grand slam of high scale scam.
The other ones are small peanuts in comparison.

I like to see more grand slams....great thread Adam.
 

Kal Rubinson

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Another report of a public case from almost 10 years ago that is not high-end in my view.
That is debatable. Do you make the decision only on the basis of the asking price?

My point is that the number of such frauds and scams in the high-end is small, contrary to the beliefs of some people.
I guess you are excluding all the products made from the ground up in-house which are, yet, priced orders of magnitude more than their true value and/or more than products with equal performance.

Where do you stand on the issue of audio jewelry?
 
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That is debatable. Do you make the decision only on the basis of the asking price?
Surely not. But for me this particular equipment in not high-end.

I guess you are excluding all the products made from the ground up in-house which are, yet, priced orders of magnitude more than their true value and/or more than products with equal performance.
Where do you stand on the issue of audio jewelry?
My comment was direct and simple to understand. If you want to add direct examples of current scams and frauds to warn people you are welcome and I (and others, I am sure) will be happy to learn from you.
 

Stacore

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Oh my! One more myth gone :(
I had recently the opposite experience - opened Sony CDP-557 digged out from my storage.
What a beauty! The level of engineering and the care for the detail simply stunning.

Cheers,
 

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