ChatGPT on Audiophile

Interesting discussion. Full disclosure: I have spent the last 40 years of my professional life studying AI. Entered grad school to do my PhD in AI in 1983. We were then a small group of diehards when there was no tech industry, no web or WiFi and no smartphones or even PCs! Most of my career has been in academia with two stints in industry: first job after grad school on the east coast at a big industrial research lab and after going through the academic ladder from young assistant professor to full tenured professor, I’m back in industry on the west coast in the Bay Area. Hint: the pay is better!


Agree with most of the comments here. AI is developing at a rapid pace, and I can tell you from the inside that even professionals like me don’t understand why chatGPT works. Theoretically the model is extremely simple, but given 100 terabytes of digital data and a billion dollars of compute, it seems to have learned to mimic some impressive human abilities. That said, it’s a chatbot that only mines correlations between words. But with a bit of clever processing these correlations seem to give it more power than we realized. Suffice it to say no one is more surprised by chatGPT than its creators at Open AI, some of whom I know.

Scary part is that as powerful as computers are today, they are nothing compared to the quantum computers now being developed at research labs. A quantum chatGPT would likely be far more capable. Can we control it? Unlikely. But as Microsoft has done with Bing, one can put crude controls like 10-20 questions per session. The next generation will not be so easy to control.
I remember when Internet cafe's first opened. I was curious so went in one, ordered a coffee and paid for a half hour at a terminal. I then sat at a terminal looking at the search page for at least five minutes because I had no idea what I was supposed to do to make it work. Once I figured it out, the output was not great but it was pure and unadulterated. It seemed to be a good thing.

Today, algorithms limit my access on YouTube, and Netflix to only what appears to that algorithm as the kind of media I have already seen. I am unable to get a variety of unique and different that I may like, only same-ol' same-ol'. I read that algorithms do the same with Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. so that once someone looks at a site that may be harmful, they get the same offered back over and over from then on. Kids with eating disorders see others starving themselves to death, thus reinforcing the behaviour, kids doing self harm, the same. Republicans only see websites that show Democrats as the looney left, Democrats only websites that see Republicans as fascists and Nazi's. The internet now seems to be a bad thing.

A.I.? Quantum computers? What happens when they (AI and Quantum computing) get together to program the next level of AI? You know that will happen. Businessmen with their computer geniuses will think they can control it, but ... Remember how Franz van Papen thinking himself able to manipulate Hitler, persuaded Hindenburg into appointing Hitler chancellor and him vice chancellor? How did that work out for Papen ... for the World?
 
I think were better off being run by AI then by politicians .
It costs less , just a bit of electricity , AI doesnt fly with private jets stays in 5 *** hotels and has useless meetings all the time, i dont think it can get any worse to be honest.

Ps did i mention AI doesnt take bribes,.... lets give AI a shot
 
I think were better off being run by AI then by politicians .
It costs less , just a bit of electricity , AI doesnt fly with private jets stays in 5 *** hotels and has useless meetings all the time, i dont think it can get any worse to be honest.

Ps did i mention AI doesnt take bribes,.... lets give AI a shot
It may not take bribes, but it does follow the instructions of its' programers. Is that a Ferrari above "andromedaaudio" on your moniker? Perhaps the owners of the AI program make a contract with Porsche. Only stipulation, make our car the world favourite. So the AI program sends a fake Twitter or FaceBook entry that looks legit, saying my Ferrari just blew up! Even though under warranty they are refusing to fix it! Or, the steering linkage just failed while on track day! I was in hospital for a month! Then when you try to search for information, (has this ever happened to anyone else) you get carefully selected internet and social media that suggests that it has (even celebrities). No filtering out of fake stories, perhaps Porsche (or even the AI) creates them with Deep Fake to sway you and meet the programming directions (AI has no morals, like a psychopath/sociopath, no guilt either).
 
I remember when Internet cafe's first opened. I was curious so went in one, ordered a coffee and paid for a half hour at a terminal. I then sat at a terminal looking at the search page for at least five minutes because I had no idea what I was supposed to do to make it work. Once I figured it out, the output was not great but it was pure and unadulterated. It seemed to be a good thing...

You seem quite inspired to clench Ron's bowels this morning. :)
 
I think were better off being run by AI then by politicians .
It costs less , just a bit of electricity , AI doesnt fly with private jets stays in 5 *** hotels and has useless meetings all the time, i dont think it can get any worse to be honest.

Ps did i mention AI doesnt take bribes,.... lets give AI a shot
not just a bit of electricity, a huge amount of electricity thus a very large carbon footprint: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arti...XcADvTCNqB53wPaq9PqyGXRwajx3rpUD_tYyFjYuC0zQt

The Chatbot stuff is entertainment that is attracting astronomical amounts of capital from venture capitalist. The Chatbot isn't intelligent, but it is a relentless recognizer of patterns when fed vast amounts of data in an iterative process to refine its abilities. To me, it is rather useless and a waste of money.

But there will be other efforts to build intelligent networks and the potential danger of that should not be underestimated. After all, the folks who programmed the Chatbot don't know how it works. They have said so.
 
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But there will be other efforts to build intelligent networks and the potential danger of that should not be underestimated.
Central banks of the world will use the coming crises to allocate all capital into 5 or 10 too big too fail banks and try to roll out CBDC , with which you can control a population completely.
So we might be better of with AI .


Your speakers were not mentioned by the bot. No worries, it is only a lousy algorithm.
No news is good news as they say
 
It may not take bribes, but it does follow the instructions of its' programers. Is that a Ferrari above "andromedaaudio" on your moniker? Perhaps the owners of the AI program make a contract with Porsche. Only stipulation, make our car the world favourite. So the AI program sends a fake Twitter or FaceBook entry that looks legit, saying my Ferrari just blew up! Even though under warranty they are refusing to fix it! Or, the steering linkage just failed while on track day! I was in hospital for a month! Then when you try to search for information, (has this ever happened to anyone else) you get carefully selected internet and social media that suggests that it has (even celebrities). No filtering out of fake stories, perhaps Porsche (or even the AI) creates them with Deep Fake to sway you and meet the programming directions (AI has no morals, like a psychopath/sociopath, no guilt either).
So basically AI is a politician ! :rolleyes:
 
So basically AI is a politician ! :rolleyes:
basically yes, will lie, deceive, on orders of minders, just lacks one important detail, self-interest.
 
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So you re saying it will not work when i give AI some money so my speakers will come out on top in the Chat Bot :(.
It will work, but it has to be bitcoin ! ;)
 
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Very long. But pretty interesting responses. I find what is an audiophile pretty accurate.
What matters as far as equipment ranking I don't really agree with.
I got too busy to finish the read. I will get back to it tonight. Looks like it may take 1/2 hour to get through.
Sorry Kingrex, for my part in taking your original post off subject. Getting back to the article, I found a few bits saddened me, as they confirm what many have already discovered, specifically:

1. The report from Tyll and Volander (2016) in the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society that proves that neither audiophiles nor non-audiophiles can tell the difference between the sound of CDs and High-Resolution Audio.

2. In 2022 vinyl supplanted C.D. in sales (what percent of that vinyl was mastered from a digital source?), but that "streaming" accounts for 89% of music revenue.

3. Advances in digital signal processing, high-resolution audio formats and advanced compression techniques my not be noticeable by the average listener.

4. Bit-perfect digital to analogue conversion is "bit-perfect" whether the DAC costs £500 or £50,000. All reproduce with the highest-fidelity those parts of the analogue music that were measured and encoded into digital (no accounting for what in the original analogue music can't be measured or encoded however).

I don't listen to digital so I don't need to throw away expensive CD players and replace DACs with new "high-resolution compatible" DACs so that I can stream the newer formats. So why am I worried, because of 2 above. It is getting harder and harder to find vinyl records that have been cut from pure analogue tape, mastered without digital processing and using valve amplification throughout. Analogue Productions has stopped doing so and is now releasing LPs mastered from DAT. Digital is cleaner, less distortion (albeit odd-order and very irritating), greater dynamics, better sound stage, but sounds "unreal". Pure analogue LP's played through Class A SET's and horns, to Subjectivists, sounds more real, more emotional, more relaxing than digitally processed LPs, especially with solid state amplification with capacitors in the signal path and inefficient speakers. The "Objectivists" have apparently won that war against the "Subjectivists". That is why I am saddened.
 

Elon Musk, Apple co-founder, other tech experts call for pause on 'giant AI experiments': 'Dangerous race'

Musk, Wozniak, other tech innovators sign open letter urging temporary pause in the development of AI systems more powerful than OpenAI's GPT-4, citing risks to society and civilization

 
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Artificial intelligence 'godfather' on AI possibly wiping out humanity: ‘It's not inconceivable

Artificial Intelligence pioneer Geoffrey Hinton said the development of artificial intelligence is happening rapidly

 

Elon Musk, Apple co-founder, other tech experts call for pause on 'giant AI experiments': 'Dangerous race'

Musk, Wozniak, other tech innovators sign open letter urging temporary pause in the development of AI systems more powerful than OpenAI's GPT-4, citing risks to society and civilization

Very glad to see that some of the experts are urging caution.

Potential issues include cybercrime (quote is from the article; bolding added). If you want to take down a few countries, you only need to bring down the digital infrastructure of their financial systems (which are interconnected).

But you can also have fun with power plants (including nuclear), transportation systems, water facilities, etc. If anyone thinks that is farfetched or paranoid, check out the daily level of hacking worldwide and not just by governments. Without transparency about development and capability, there is no way to ensure safe development of the AI tools.

"The concerns come as EU police force Europol on Monday joined a chorus of ethical and legal concerns over advanced AI like ChatGPT, warning about the potential misuse of the system in phishing attempts, disinformation and cybercrime."
 
Some people with a better understanding of computers than me said ChatGPT is dumb as a rock. I’ll take their word.
 
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That's quite interesting. As of right now, with AI doing only what it's programmed to do, it's unlikely for that to happen, but the developments have been happening so rapidly, that it's hard to predict what's next...
 

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