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LOL!! But seriously, what is causing coherency problem at super loud volume? Underpowered?
Help me to fix this coherency problem at 110db plus please. I just can’t understand what the singer is singing and it’s no good. 70-100 db is perfect, 105-120 db the coherency problem start to appear
 
open baffle woofers running below 100hz... sound great but not the topology for clubbing ;)

If you really want to crank it with that speaker topology I would think you need at least double amount of woofers.

not to mention more power
Is this the fix for the coherency problem above 110 db?
 
I know that it is the opinion of many, that in order to have a high gain phono amp that it must have to be a Solid State or FET design or else there will be just too much noise. For those people I would suggest the Wavestream Kinetics Deluxe Phono Amp. I have admired Scott Frankland’s audio design work (phono, preamps, amplifiers) for decades but was never in a financial position to afford them. However, over the last couple of years, I have suffered 5 unexplained strokes and have recently been diagnosed with two cancerous tumors. I have come to realize that we may not get any mulligan’s in this game of life.

So, on last Feb 17, I placed a deposit with Scott for his most recent Wavestream Kinetic Level 5.1 Reference phono amp. His phono amp has always been on my "bucket list". It is an all tube design currently using (2 x 12AX7, 4 x 6DJ8); with extremely low noise ( I believe with the external power supply, noise is below 1uV (one-millionth of a volt ) competing with the best of the solid state phonos; providing 3 front panel selectable inputs = two MC at 62 dB of gain (without the use of SUT’s or FETS) with a useful cartridge range of 0.2mV to 1.2mV and one MM output at 42dB (you are able to choose your MM gain or you can have 3 MC ); having both balanced and RCA inputs and outputs; adjustable loading available on the back panel via custom loading plugs; and an essentially flat RIAA EQ curve within one tenth of a dB (.1dB) from 3 Hz to 40 Khz. *** The above specs are from the best of my recollection - if you have interest, please consult with Scott Frankland to confirm. He is wonderful to communicate with. ***

It is very dynamic, both in the micro and macro sense, throughout the entire frequency range. It produces rich harmonics that are exhilarating when listening to violin/cello/acoustic bass, both reed and brass instruments, vocals, etc... all without sounding syrupy. It is extremely quiet, plenty of gain and very pure sounding with excellent details ... due to not having to use any FET or Solid State devices, and with no need to use Step Up Transformers and their extra set of interconnects and connections or having to fight with hum issues.

It is extremely solidly built with excellent case work, excellent attention to details and a very well thought out design, by an extremely talented designer and a true gentleman who is absolutely fantastic to deal with, Mr Scott Frankland. ( Having a designer that provides excellent support, timely communications and accessibility is just as important to me as finding a SOTA phono amp ). I feel very blessed to be able to have this piece in my system. At $9K new, I feel it is an absolute steal. Certainly priced well below what many people here would even consider to be an ultra high-end piece.... but sadly you would be missing out dearly by passing this one by. Once in a very great while, you might see one come up for sale on the used market, but not very often. I consider this to be a true testament to the greatness of this phono amp as people who own it, hang on to it. It is not a "flavor of the month" type piece, but rather something that you cherish and would like to pass on to your children.

In any case, just another excellent option to be considered and it is tubed, which O.P. stated he liked :)

I will try and attach some images of it (forgive me, I'm somewhat technically challenged)

Best wishes to all for great health, love and happiness this holiday season :)
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@No Regrets I feel you. My mom diagnosed with rare form of untreatable MDS cancer just last week. I am devastated right now but life must go on as I have big family myself that I have to take care for a long time until all my 3 wonderful kids becomes “someone” and they all must surpass me later (I am an Asian tiger dad), a long journey ahead as I am still 40 years old. Wish you the best of luck.

Thanks for the suggestions but I think I will definitely buy the HSE Ref.
 
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Is this the fix for the coherency problem above 110 db?
depends on crossover frequency...i asked earlier remember ;)

I am not saying it needs to change but open baffle at high volume needs a lot of woofer area!
 
Help me to fix this coherency problem at 110db plus please. I just can’t understand what the singer is singing and it’s no good. 70-100 db is perfect, 105-120 db the coherency problem start to appear
hard to say, but most likely you are overdriving the room. high SPL's need a room to be very finely set-up acoustically. subtle small issues become big when you are pushing it. room nodes get excited and overwhelm the delicate parts.

it's normal.

i moved to a different home to solve my room limitations for big music.. still took me 10 years to fine tune my new built from scratch room.
 
depends on crossover frequency...i asked earlier remember ;)

I am not saying it needs to change but open baffle at high volume needs a lot of woofer area!
20 cm more forward and Kondo Kagura should fix the problem no?
 
hard to say, but most likely you are overdriving the room. high SPL's need a room to be very finely set-up acoustically. subtle small issues become big when you are pushing it. room nodes get excited and overwhelm the delicate parts.

it's normal.

i moved to a different home to solve my room limitations for big music.. still took me 10 years to fine tune my new built from scratch room.
Planing to tear down 1/4 of my house to accompdate better sound sustem
 
your gear lust will cost less than your room lust. especially with COVID inflated contractor retirement plans.....at least in the US.
I have my own team of builder, they are inhouse builder working full time in my office because the renovation and improvement in my office never stop ever, so yeah I have about 15 builders and 100 employees working for me and all can be called anytime. It’s gonna be very cheap to tear down and rebuild 1/4 of my house, plus I am semi retired @40 YO so plenty of time to supervise the builder. With Corona I just stay home and doing nothing except taking care of my dad and mom for almost 2 years, it’s crazy boring, might as well tear down my house.
 
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Sometime it takes a Xanax to build a system.
 
I have my own team of builder, they are inhouse builder working full time in my office because the renovation and improvement in my office never stop ever, so yeah I have about 15 builders and 100 employees working for me and all can be called anytime. It’s gonna be very cheap to tear down and rebuild 1/4 of my house, plus I am semi retired @40 YO so plenty of time to supervise the builder. With Corona I just stay home and doing nothing for almost 2 years, it’s crazy boring, might as well tear down my house.
you are a lucky man.
 
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hard to say, but most likely you are overdriving the room. high SPL's need a room to be very finely set-up acoustically. subtle small issues become big when you are pushing it. room nodes get excited and overwhelm the delicate parts.

it's normal.

i moved to a different home to solve my room limitations for big music.. still took me 10 years to fine tune my new built from scratch room.
Agree with Mike that it sounds like you might be overloading your room.
 
I think this is the end of this thread. I have decided on HSE Ref. It’s not tube but dealer gives 100% satisfaction guarantee, I can home audition as long as I want like 1-3 months and plus if I buy HSE from him I would be entitled to pay for the Kagura in installment…. No brainer I think.
You have a very good dealer!
 

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