End game pre amp + amp upgrade
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No. Nagra replaced them with a revised version about a year ago. Truthfully, the original version was pretty bad and when I received the new ones they sat in their crates for months because I had lost interest. Finally I got around to trying them and it was like a new model. They haven't left my system... BTW I don't think Nagra advertised or promoted the revision. They reached out to me. Rene' and Nagra treated me very well.
Thank you for the information. How big of a jump did you feel from the Soulution 511 to Nagra HD? Any other choice was in your consideration or comparision?
I disagree as well. I feel the opposite of bonzo75, tone and resolution are strengths and I have never had an issue with drive or slam. Agree 100% with Kingsrule that the bass is unbelievably detailed. The HD amp and pre are my end game. The Elite connecting everything takes it even further.
Dave
Not in comparison, just my impression. I haven't spent enough time with any of the above to compare them with any relevancy. I would love to hear the Dartz though. I was just offering a counter opinion. Was your statement in comparison? I haven't heard too many amps on the same system to be able to pick out their shortcomings.
Dave, you would be most welcome to come and hear the darts, any time you are in the neighborhood.
Mike,
That would be hearing the Darts!! I will take you up on that someday hopefully sooner than later. I really enjoyed the Rives room I've listened in before and I have no doubt your room would make quite an impression. Thanks!
Dave
Yes. Compared On YG Hailey. And separately heard on a focal stella utopia system local to me a couple of times, and have heard other amps on the focals.
I guess each component has strengths and weaknesses depending where our audio priorities are at. To my ears the HD amps get tone just right but that was a weakness for you. Which of the above amps is more accurate (if that's the right word)? I'm not looking to debate, I'm looking to learn, so feel free to say how you feel. No offense taken here.
Dave
Tone wasn't a weakness. It was average. Drive, energy, bass, slam were weakenesses. As well as large staging.
I can't speak to staging, I'm in a pretty small room but drive, energy, and bass are not weaknesses in my room. I feel like we're talking about 2 different amps. I'll ask Rene about Kingsrule's amps if if there was a change that made them better for him. Thanks for the info!
Dave
It was like a giant leap...I hated the 511's. They sounded like 70's ss. The HD's sound like music.
I believe you, I just want to make sure I'm not missing out. Sorry if it came out that way, that was not my intention.
Dave
In such case blame the owner or the demonstrator. He was not able to get a system and room that could show the real performance of such electronics.
More than ten years ago I could not resist to an used Nagra CDC, PLP and VPA at a bargain price for a secondary system. It was not an easy system - first impression was that is sounded delicate and musical, but lean. The 2x845 pushpull monoblock amplifier seemed to lack power. However after I got the proper power cables, signal and speaker cables and speakers it was a terrifying system.
IMHO an experienced audiophile should be able to diagnose the problems of the system (or the incompatibility with his preferences) before emitting hasty general negative judgements concerning pieces of equipment. All IMHO, YMMV.
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