Entreq USB Cable Exposed.

[caliaripaolo]

This thread is much ado about nothing.

Most consumer product involve some degree of sub-contracted parts. Speakers brands commonly buy drives from Scanspeak and other specialists. Does that make Wilson better or worse than Magico? it's not unusual for amp out-source power supplies, transistors, etc. So should Pass (or your amp of choice) put an asterisk on their XS preamp? How about my iPhone? Apple out-source key parts (eg. Samsung & Sharp displays) and hire contract factories in China. Does that make Apple a "fake"?

I don't care who supplies the various parts as long as the end product has good sound quality, reliability, and price. I don't think it's a good idea to buy a components just because it uses ceramic boards, Vishay resistors, proprietary drivers, etc. There are many great sounding gear that use modest parts and/or good design. My old NAD 3020 and Futterman OTL monoblocks come to mind.

If this USB cable sounds good, then Entreq should get the glory. If it's overpriced and sounds bad, then savvy audiophiles should spread the word. But why talk about sound quality when it's more dramatic to rip apart the cable and call it a fake?

I completely agree !!!
as stated on my previous reply #10, this thread and its title is simply ridiculous and not respectful, and I do not understand why it is not yet banned since the title jeopardizes the respect of a company

 

[Elberoth]

I completely agree !!!
as stated on my previous reply #10, this thread and its title is simply ridiculous and not respectful, and I do not understand why it is not yet banned since the title jeopardizes the respect of a company

+1

I think that admis should at least think about possibility for thread title change, as the title:

- does not reflect facts;
- by doing so, it is damaging to company reputation.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Please, everyone interested refer to recent posts on Entreq Grounding thread re reply from Entreq's Per Olof.

 

[mtseymour]

Sild is conspicuously silent after making a posting a wild (defamatory?) claim. What's his intent?

According to Merriam Webster, fake is something that is "not true or real : meant to look real or genuine but not real or genuine." There is no evidence that Entreq made a false or misleading claim about the cable's performance or construction.

With cables, some companies will draw their own wire (eg. Siltech/Crystal) and fabricate everything in-house. This does not necessarily mean that their cables are superior to another brand that buys wires from a sub-contractor. I would argue that other factors can significantly affect the price and sound (dialectic material, connectors, shielding, grounding, etc). Even if Nordost doesn't draw its own wires (just an assumption), I suspect that the Valhalla and Odin cables derive their complex mono-filament construction. Similarly, shielding and dialectrics are an important part of Synergistic and Tara Labs cables.

Any experienced audiophile should be able to audition an Entreq cable and determine if offers good price/performance ratio. I should mention that I just bought a Silver Tellus, but don't use the Entreq earth cables based on my dealer's recommendation. According to this dealer, the Entreq cables are good, but there are better alternatives. i will post my impressions in a separate thread after it's been configured.

 

[mauidan]

Yes, the thread's title is poor. Entreq is obviously very real.

How about changing the title to: Entreq USB Cable Exposed

 

[steve williams]

Yes, the thread's title is poor. Entreq is obviously very real.

How about changing the title to: Entreq USB Cable Exposed

I agree and changed it

 

[steve williams]

I agree and changed it

I really believe that this thread serves no purpose whatsoever and changed the thread title as suggested by Dan and closed the thread.

I have also received personal correspondence from Per-Olof Friberg and I agree with him as well. Seems he sent the same communication to a member here

First of all, sorry for my English. It have caused me a lot of problem more than one time, so I hope you check with me if something sounds totally crazy.
I see the thread " Entreq is fake" on WBF and now I quietly wonder, is this really OK?
The sad thing is that we never try to hide that we often use cables that already are in production ( many times for other applications than sound reproduction) if we find they have potential be good audio cables if we rebuild them.
We add / remove conductors, change on dielektrikum, , add our "drainwire system, match connectors so they fit the prestanda from the cable etc etc. until we have a product we like.
Why we do this way? Because there is unending of cables in production and if you know what you searching for, you always can find a cable that fit the spec you want and think is right start work with. This way allow us buy 20-30 m of a cable we think have potential be good and test it. Work with it, and test it in real life and if it not lives up to what we expect, we have not lost any big money. We can just go and test another until we have a cable that act as we want and we can stand for.
If we on the other hand ordered a cable by our spec from manufacture, we at least have to order 5000 m for get a reasonable price, and the risk that it don’t work as we want always are there.
But we also build some of our cables from scratch. And when it´s pure silver cables we always have to build from scratch, because there are very few silver cables on market.
I anyhow always stand for our products and the prestanda they give.
The USB cable they talk about on forums are at least 4-5 years old and buy in second hand. I´m sad it don’t work, but I don’t know what happen with it during the years.
It´s no doubt, Discover USB is a standard cable we rebuilt. Not the cheapest crack, that be said, but still a standard cable. We have added our drainwire system and changed some other details on it. The result has been a cable that has been popular for many years and many users have found it give a improvement in sound quality. The cost for it is in Scandinavia 1800 Sek ( around 225-250 USD.) Today I´m sure there are many other cable brand have at least same or even better sound quality. As I said, it´s developed some years ago and was one of the first USB cables on market.
It´s not something that have with this case to do, but today we have a USB cable in our assortment where we even build the contacts by our self.
Another thing that have been wrong caused of my bad English is that I many time use the slang word “copper sand” or just “sand” when talking about the mineral mix we use in our ground boxes.
We use a mineral mix and different metals, not sea sand or cat litter in the boxes.
I know it´s very dangerous use a language you are not 100% familiar with, so please, if something sounds crazy, please let me have a chance explain what I mean.
But in the end I ask my self again, Is this really a fair thread with this header?
Best
PO