Etsuro Urushi Bordeaux in the house

[advanced101]

I guess the height of the sky of analog playback is just beyond what people can imagine.

This is a great quote.

 

[Arcus7]

I'm also using the Urushi Bordeaux. Excellent cartridge and I prefer it over my Lyras (Etna, Kleos SL, Kleos, Delos)

 

[G T Audio]

Thanks a lot Mtemur. I was looking for reviews and comments about GE-10 but I cannot find any on the internet. I am quite interested to GE-10 but the price difference is big between M-7 and GE-10. I am wondering whether the difference justifies. But obviously, you’re very positive about the improvements of the GE-10 over M7.

I agree with you that the gain of 46db is very high. Sometimes I have to tune down some gain from the pre-amp. With what you said, I’m going to investigate more on GE-10.

46dB to 48dB is a good level of active gain for a phono stage allowing good signal to noise. Often it is the line level pre-amps that have too much gain which is the problem. Gain should be apportioned throughout the system to achieve best results including the best signal to noise performance.

 

[DetroitVinylRob]

Good to hear these experiences with the Etsuro Urushi Bordeaux. I just got off the road from picking up my own and am in the process of mounting/aligning it. Should be listening to what you are reporting soon! Truly exciting

 

[Nemal1]

Having been unsuccessful in procuring a new koetsu, I’ve just ordered an Etsuro bordeaux whilst away for Xmas. They are recommencing manufacture in February 2024 and expecting mine around March.

 

[DetroitVinylRob]

Having been unsuccessful in procuring a new koetsu, I’ve just ordered an Etsuro bordeaux whilst away for Xmas. They are recommencing manufacture in February 2024 and expecting mine around March.

If you are not yet familiar with the Bordeaux in your system you may just serendipitously fall in love on the way to your date with K.

 

[jazdoc]

My initial experience with the Bordeaux was disappointing. But I recently put it back in the system and it is amazing with a 1:14 EMIA step up. It seems to rival my Urushi Gold. Incredibly musical and terrific information retriever.

 

[DetroitVinylRob]

My initial experience with the Bordeaux was disappointing. But I recently put it back in the system and it is amazing with a 1:14 EMIA step up. It seems to rival my Urushi Gold. Incredibly musical and terrific information retriever.

Is the 1:14 EMIA silver wound? I ash because I too have a Bordeaux that I fancy.

 

[jazdoc]

Is the 1:14 EMIA silver wound? I ash because I too have a Bordeaux that I fancy.

Yes, silver winding which I preferred to copper in my system.

 

[zebo67]

Just ordered Etsuro Urushi Bordeaux. Thank you @jazdoc.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

My initial experience with the Bordeaux was disappointing. But I recently put it back in the system and it is amazing with a 1:14 EMIA step up. It seems to rival my Urushi Gold. Incredibly musical and terrific information retriever.

Just ordered Etsuro Urushi Bordeaux. Thank you @jazdoc.

visited @jazdoc on Sunday to hear his Etsuro Bordeaux with the 1:14 silver SUT and it was pretty amazing. ultimate liquidity and detail with flow......and fast, fast, fast. we did not A/B the E. Gold but i really loved it. and his system is remarkable and really synergizing perfectly. his pressings are always first rank too so the music just happens.

 

[jazdoc]

Just ordered Etsuro Urushi Bordeaux. Thank you @jazdoc.

Congratulations! Hope you enjoy it as much as I am. Please add your impressions to the thread.

 

[zebo67]

Congratulations! Hope you enjoy it as much as I am. Please add your impressions to the thread.

I will, once everything settles down…I will be comparing Bordeaux with Fuuga into Allnic H-6500 phonostage. Also on tap, EMIA copper version, custom built for Fuuga. I will likely post my impressions by Sep 8.

 

[jazdoc]

I will, once everything settles down…I will be comparing Bordeaux with Fuuga into Allnic H-6500 phonostage. Also on tap, EMIA copper version, custom built for Fuuga. I will likely post my impressions by Sep 8.

I also enjoy the Fuuga. Will be interested in your thoughts.

 

[zebo67]

I also enjoy the Fuuga. Will be interested in your thoughts.

@jazdoc Do you find Fuuga signature contrasting (compare to Bordeaux) enough to keep it around.

 

[Jeffy]

My initial experience with the Bordeaux was disappointing. But I recently put it back in the system and it is amazing with a 1:14 EMIA step up. It seems to rival my Urushi Gold. Incredibly musical and terrific information retriever.

How do you come about the 1:14 as I thought Dave made either the 1:10 or 1:20?

 

[zebo67]

@Mike Lavigne Since you have heard both Bordeaux and Fuuga and own Etsuro Gold, would you say Gold would be a better choice instead of owning both Fuuga and Bordeaux. I am wondering if buying Gold makes sense now and try something else down the road. Appreciate your input as always.

 

[jazdoc]

How do you come about the 1:14 as I thought Dave made either the 1:10 or 1:20?

Dave Slagle’s suggestion and of course, he was right

 

[Salectric]

How do you come about the 1:14 as I thought Dave made either the 1:10 or 1:20?

Dave will wind any value you want. They’re all made to order.

That said, in practice there isn’t much difference between 1:10, 1:14 and 1:20. I have used the same cartridges into a wider range than these, and with good results.

 

[jazdoc]

Dave will wind any value you want. They’re all made to order.

That said, in practice there isn’t much difference between 1:10, 1:14 and 1:20. I have used the same cartridges into a wider range than these, and with good results.

Not to be argumentative, but I definitely noticed a difference between 1:10 and 1:15/1:14. I was using a 1:10 and it was OK. Mike generously let me borrow his 1:15 and it was definitely better. Dave was the one who suggested 1:14 was best for my system. YMMV.