Experience with Mola Mola Lupe

Looking forward to your thoughts on them versus your BPS! Thanks.
I was there when the RCM was plumbed in, a few of us had popped over for a catch up. 6 months in storage, 20 mins warm up and genuine shock in the room upon needle drop. One of the guys even asked if it was the same track being played! For me it was a case of just forgetting the system and hearing the music, that doesn't often happen. It was terrific via Horizon digital and AMG/BPS, different flavours. The addition of the RCM phono took things to a different level, very surprising
 
Reach out to Bill Parish at GTT Audio. He is the distributor and a dealer and will have the best knowledge on availability.
They are available. No problem getting them.
 
On the topic of the Lupe, or any of the Mola Mola electronics for that matter, has anyone experience partnering with loudspeakers from Vivid Audio, TAD, or other “engineering-first” designs?
Great with Vivid!
 
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I was there when the RCM was plumbed in, a few of us had popped over for a catch up. 6 months in storage, 20 mins warm up and genuine shock in the room upon needle drop. One of the guys even asked if it was the same track being played! For me it was a case of just forgetting the system and hearing the music, that doesn't often happen. It was terrific via Horizon digital and AMG/BPS, different flavours. The addition of the RCM phono took things to a different level, very surprising

Yes pretty much what Dan said. I originally bought the BPS as a "starter" phono stage when I got my AMG a few years' back and it's brilliant for what it is - easy to hook up to the system, decent sound quality, and cost-effective. Given the time spent improving the digital side of my system I hadn't really thought much more about the vinyl side of things until now.
Following Munich and a renewed commitment to listen to more vinyl, I wasn't expecting too much from the AMG + BPS when we sat down to listen in the session Dan mentions, but all of us were pleasantly surprised as to how good it sounded relative to the Horizon. I don't think any of us believed it was subjectively better, but enjoyable none-the-less.
The addition of the RCM was a big step change, to the point where there was a genuine debate to be had - digital vs vinyl - and I suspect if we voted, vinyl would have probably won out.
Where the Lupe fits in is far closer to the RCM than to the Nagra - more body, drive, and dynamics, but just not to the level the RCM takes it to. Given the relative prices (BPS approx £2k, Lupe £8k, RCM £16k), as everything in hifi, the law of diminishing returns comes into play, but it feels like the performance differential across the 3 justifies the pricing differences.
 
I own the fully outrigged Mola Mola Makua preamp with built-in phono stage & DAC and the Mola Mola Kaluga monoblocks. I have nothing but praise for how well engineered these components are. In the past 30+ years, I have owned a lot of very pricey solid state and tube products and these are unrivaled in both their ease of use, brilliant user interface and sonic quality.

I think the Lupe phono stage is basically the same add on card you get with the Makua, as is the Tsmbaqui DAC. Their designer Brian in fact claims the Makua is better sounding as it omits the digital volume control in the Tambaqui in favor of the class A analog section in the Makua. I have run the Makua with four turntables, several digital front ends, Roon endpoint etc. simultaneously. This thing is unrivaled in its flexibility. While the phono stage is not as tubey sounding as my ARC Ref 3SE, which by itself costs more than the Makua, the latter is infinitely more flexible. I run a Miyajima Zero Infinity mono cartridge, Shure moving magnet, a Koetsu stereo cartridge etc. all simultaneously and can vary parameters from my iPhone and tweak to my hearts content.

These are the best solid state components I have owned in 35+ years. The most well designed. The iPhone interface leaves all other high end products in the dust. Utterly reliable. In one and a half year of constant use, it has not once done anything but work reliably, a first for me in a high end audio world filled with shoddy products.

Highly recommended!
hi @godofwealth

Thanks for your input. I have been in search for a dedicated phono stage for quite some time. My main target has been a ref3 or ref3se, which are not exactly easy to come by second hand. You briefly compare the lupe to ref3SE. Money aside for a moment, if you had to part with one and just keep one as your end game, which one would be? i understand this is personal question, but curious to your answer. It is already really hard to demo these in your system. AB like you have the opportunity is close to impossible. Thank you.
 
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I think it’s really hard to compete with a world class tube phono stage like the ARC Phono 3SE. I’ve owned ARC phono stages for 30+ years, so I’m biased. But they bring out the best in any cartridge, even humble moving magnets. The Mola Mola Makua has an incredibly flexible phono stage, best I’ve ever used, all parameters control from your smartphone, but like all solid state phono stages I’ve owned, it seems to compress dynamics. Many years ago I owned the mighty two box preamplifier, the Mark Levinson 32. Its line stage was great. The phono module was no match for the original ARC Ref Phono. The 3SE is substantially better but cut from the same cloth. If you are trying to save some $$$, I highly recommend the earlier Ref Phono stages from ARC. You’ll save a lot of money and get practically the same sound as the 3SE with a bit of the refinement missing.
 
I’m surprised to hear some members recommending the Audio Research Ref3 Phono as one of the best phono stages or claiming it can compete with top models. I would be convinced by now if I hadn’t personally listened to the Ref3 many times and compared it with other phono stages. To me, it feels like a mediocre unit lacking excitement, finesse, and lifelike character, and it isn’t much different from the Ref2 or earlier models.
 
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Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I can only give you my experience after owning countless phono stages over 35+ years. I certainly haven’t tried many of the newer ones. At some point you like what you like and you stop exploring. I’m perfectly happy with my Phono 3SE and wouldn’t change that for anything else, except maybe a Ref 10 Phono, but I don’t listen to vinyl often enough to justify the investment and I’m running out of shelf space! Do your own exploring and figure out what you like. That’s the whole point of WBF. Each of us must find our own way. It’s a voyage of self-discovery.
 
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I think it’s really hard to compete with a world class tube phono stage like the ARC Phono 3SE. I’ve owned ARC phono stages for 30+ years, so I’m biased. But they bring out the best in any cartridge, even humble moving magnets. The Mola Mola Makua has an incredibly flexible phono stage, best I’ve ever used, all parameters control from your smartphone, but like all solid state phono stages I’ve owned, it seems to compress dynamics. Many years ago I owned the mighty two box preamplifier, the Mark Levinson 32. Its line stage was great. The phono module was no match for the original ARC Ref Phono. The 3SE is substantially better but cut from the same cloth. If you are trying to save some $$$, I highly recommend the earlier Ref Phono stages from ARC. You’ll save a lot of money and get practically the same sound as the 3SE with a bit of the refinement missing.
Thank you for the reply. Exactly what I was looking for.
 
I owned the Arc Ref 2 phono (not SE) which I enjoyed. I swapped it for a Dartzeel NHB (V1) pre with built in phono as I prefered the Dart overall with vinyl and digital to my then BAT 52 pre + ref 2. I moved on to Ypsilon phono + pre and this was a step up again. However as I mentioned in a previous post I have down sized and now have the Makua with built in DAC and phono which easily matches the Ypsilon combo after side by side comparison.
The Makua phono is excellent and is very quiet, however, I have experimented with the Lupe module and have found using a silver lundahl SUT (with MM input) gives a slightly richer fuller sound which I enjoy. This is obviously cartridge dependent but worth a try.
BTW I found all the phonos mentioned above quieter than the Ref 2.
 
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I owned the Arc Ref 2 phono (not SE) which I enjoyed. I swapped it for a Dartzeel NHB (V1) pre with built in phono as I prefered the Dart overall with vinyl and digital to my then BAT 52 pre + ref 2. I moved on to Ypsilon phono + pre and this was a step up again. However as I mentioned in a previous post I have down sized and now have the Makua with built in DAC and phono which easily matches the Ypsilon combo after side by side comparison.
The Makua phono is excellent and is very quiet, however, I have experimented with the Lupe module and have found using a silver lundahl SUT (with MM input) gives a slightly richer fuller sound which I enjoy. This is obviously cartridge dependent but worth a try.
BTW I found all the phonos mentioned above quieter than the Ref 2.
Oh wow you got Martin Logan 11a. That is hardly downsizing.
 
I owned the Arc Ref 2 phono (not SE) which I enjoyed. I swapped it for a Dartzeel NHB (V1) pre with built in phono as I prefered the Dart overall with vinyl and digital to my then BAT 52 pre + ref 2. I moved on to Ypsilon phono + pre and this was a step up again. However as I mentioned in a previous post I have down sized and now have the Makua with built in DAC and phono which easily matches the Ypsilon combo after side by side comparison.
The Makua phono is excellent and is very quiet, however, I have experimented with the Lupe module and have found using a silver lundahl SUT (with MM input) gives a slightly richer fuller sound which I enjoy. This is obviously cartridge dependent but worth a try.
BTW I found all the phonos mentioned above quieter than the Ref 2.
Thanks for the extra inputs!
 
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I’m not seeing too much out there on the forums about the Lupe and so as an early(ish) adopter I thought I’d weigh in with my experience for anyone who might be looking at it.

To cut to the chase… I am very impressed. I have owned many phono preamps in my life up and down the price ladder. Prior to the Lupe, my favorite, in a class by itself sonically (and financially) was the Ypsilon VPS-100. Below that in the next tier were the Allnic H3000, the Manley Steelhead, and the ARC Ref 2SE, each of which had its strengths and weaknesses and each of which I could have been happy with forever if I were not insane. I’m guessing you know how it is.

After three weeks of a LOT of listening, I put the Lupe, on sound quality alone, in the Ypsilon class. It brings a level of insight into the music that reminds me of my favorite DAC, the Weiss DAC501, where a seemingly impossible amount of information is conveyed in a way that doesn’t feel editorialized in the slightest and yet is never strident in its truth telling. The Ypsilon did editorialize… but in such a graceful way that I didn’t miss the edges it was rounding off. With the Ypsilon I felt like I was getting all the information in the grooves and yet it was simultaneously pulling a magic trick of rendering that information in the most euphonious and intoxicating way imaginable (it really is something that piece of gear… I still use the Ypsilon integrated and quite possibly will until the end).

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But even with the unreliability of sonic memory (and I owned the Ypsilon phono stage not that long ago) I feel confident in saying that the Lupe is in a different category of information retrieval. I’m having that glorious audiophile experience with the Lupe of putting on cherished records and feeling like I’m hearing them fresh. Michael Trei alludes to this experience in his Stereophile review of the Lupe, and he also brings up the CH Precision as a comparison point. The Ypsilon and CH Precision have been the yin and yang of big dollar phonos for a while now - more forgiving tube unit versus more analytical solid state. I know how the Lupe compares to the Yip so I’d curious to hear how it compares to the CH P at less than a third of the price. I’ve never heard the CH P, and generally I have gravitated towards tubed phono stages, mostly because I felt like they were better at rendering deep holographic soundstages. The Lupe is no slouch in that department (especially when it comes to precise imaging in the soundstage) but the deep holographic thing… no doubt the Ypsilon had the edge there.

Another area where the Ypsilon had an edge is in the overall size of the presentation. The Yip really did “big.” Though I’m not entirely sure about that comparison because for most of the time I had the Yip phono I was running stereo subs with TAD monitors and in my smallish room those subs really did “big” too. I now have Joseph Perspectives, no subs, and though I much prefer the bass of the Joes, they don’t artificially pump up the scale of things the way those subs did in here.

The Lupe yields nothing to the Ypsilon when it comes to tonal saturation which is really saying something. And it has hands down the best low end of any phono pre I’ve ever had. Maybe that is due to my lack of experience with top flight solid state units? (I had a Pass xp17 and an esoteric e-03, neither did much for me and I sold them quickly). The low end the Lupe digs out of my records wows me every day - taut, articulate, feel it in your chest slam, and LOW… all the good stuff. Just now I was listening to Nick Drake Five Leaves Left (from the Fruit Tree box) and noticing these Mingus like flourishes Danny Thompson was doing on the upright in Saturday Sun. Had me thinking of Money Jungle. I’ve listened to that Nick D record a bazillion times and never taken note of that. Rostropovich in the Beethoven sonatas with Richter, Starker in the famous Mercury Bach sonatas (both Speakers Corner sets)… these are records I’ve listened to over and over and with the Lupe I feel like I’m getting nuances of the performances and the sound of the respective cellos that are making them feel new to me. Earlier today I put on Chic’s first album and Bernie Edwards slappy bass had me on the edge of my seat. The pop, the resonant tone and sheer presence of the instrument in my room - it was jumping out of the speakers and whapping me around in my chair. That gets to the realm where the Lupe whips the Ypsilon in my memory (and every other phono pre I’ve had) - “dynamics.” Music just seems leap out and grab me by the tail feathers with this thing.

I haven’t even mentioned the convenience and the configurability which is the Lupe’s main sales pitch. I generally run three tonearms. Nothing I’ve owned has made that easier than the Lupe. With the one-input MM-only Ypsilon (and the Leben I was using just prior to the Lupe) it was a nightmare with the various SUT’s and cables. Four inputs on the Lupe (one balanced, each with ITS OWN GROUND LUG!!!!!) each input effortlessly configurable via the app for gain and impedance and capacitance and mono/stereo and yes EQ curves if that’s your thing. It’s not my thing but then with the way it works on the Lupe they are basically tone controls that you can customize if you want. I definitely have availed myself of that feature… rolled off some piercing records… added a little low end to thin ones. And it saves those settings such that all you have to do is select the given input and voila, all the various parameters stay in place. Amazing.

I have only one beef so far - the lowest resistance for an MC cart is 60ohm. Baffling why 30 isn’t an option.

That’s it for my gripes other than that I bought it second hand and the seller listed it as 10 out of 10 mint and when I got it I found a few obvious marks on the top and side panel near the front. The guy was a real dick about it when I pointed that out. But hey… that is hardly the Lupe’s fault.

It runs warm to the touch, nowhere near hot. Half box unit which I like. I’m not in love with the aesthetics but I’m fine with it. Comes in its own pelican case, nice touch.

All in all I’m surprised by its performance. Based on the reviews I expected it to be good, but not this good. I could see sticking with it for a while (with the caveat that I am generally not one to stick with gear for very long). I was hesitant to buy it because there aren’t a lot of user testimonials out there but I decided to go for it because of the multi-input convenience and ability to so easily dial in such a wide range of carts. Which is indeed great…and yet what has me hooked is the sound. Not since the ypsilon have I had a phono pre that makes me want to sit and spin records all day long, with each successive disc seeming like a revelation. I’m not a reviewer and I haven’t heard everything but I’ve heard enough to know the Lupe is special. Even in this rarified realm of audiophilia it’s crazy to call a phono preamp that retails for $10k a “bargain” so I’ll just say that sonically I think it hunts with the big dogs with the much bigger price tags.

(Rest of my system is the aforementioned Ypsilon Phaethon and Joseph Perspective 2 speakers… so far I’ve run a Benz Ebony L, a Miyajima Premium Be mono, and a Shure V15 ii into the Lupe - I’m on a real vintage kick lately with the old Shure MM’s tracking at less than a gram… ah the good old days)
@davelarz Great insights. Very helpful.

I've got the itch to upgrade my phono amp and have narrowed it down to the Manley Steelhead V2 RC and the Mola Mola Lupe. I currently use the now discontinued Herron Audio VTPH-2 tube phono stage (VTPH-2 Info). The rest of my system is solid state. The phono stage goes direct into powered Kii Three BXT speaker system (Kii Three BXT info). I've always been a little nervous to switch to a solid state phono stage for fear of the sound becoming too clinical given the rest of my components. But, I've read such good things about the Lupe that I'm considering that switch.

Given that you have owned both the Steelhead and the Lupe, can you provide more details on how these two sounded in your system and your thoughts on what you think might be the better choice for me given my situation?

Both the Steelhead V2 RC and the Lupe look to have nearly equal amounts of customization to suit whatever cartridge you throw at it (I am using a Hana Umami Blue and a Miyajima Labs Zero Mono cartridge) and given that both phono stages are almost identically priced, the deciding factor for me will be the sound quality. Thanks in advance for yours or anyone else's input here.
 
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I have the Mola Mola Makua preamp with the built-in DAC, supposedly the same or even better than the highly rated Tambaqui, and the built-in phono preamp that seems like it’s the same as the Lupe. I’ve been blown away by how good the Makua sounds when coupled with the class D Kaluga monoblock amplifiers driving one of the largest loudspeakers on the planet, the Soundlab G9-7c that’s about 9 feet by 4 feet. Anyone know whether the Lupe has more than the phono card in the Makua?
 
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I’m surprised to hear some members recommending the Audio Research Ref3 Phono as one of the best phono stages or claiming it can compete with top models. I would be convinced by now if I hadn’t personally listened to the Ref3 many times and compared it with other phono stages. To me, it feels like a mediocre unit lacking excitement, finesse, and lifelike character, and it isn’t much different from the Ref2 or earlier models.

I had the Ref 3 in for review (never published) and found it a touch forward, exaggerated versus the Ref 2SE. I would not call it mediocre though I agree it is not in the same league as top models. The ARC phonos have a tight leading edge that gets slightly tighter as the models go from Ref 2 -> 2SE -> 3 -> 3SE. FET based step-up rather than transformers. They get progressively resolving across the models and do well at delivering a sense of spaciousness, though that is a wee tad homogenized across recordings. Instrument separation and outline definition were in higher contrast from what I hear live in concert. The upper-mids and highs all have at least a glimmer of the tone that ARC was famous for back-in-the-day-with HP's contrast between ARC as Silver and Conrad-Johnson as Gold. The Ref 10s remain the top model. Lest you think these comments are a gloss, I've had experience with them, owning the ARC PH7, Ref 2, 2SE, and 10 phonostages. I ended up preferring the Lamm LP2.1 (with whom I compared the Ref 10) and then the LP1.
 
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@davelarz Great insights. Very helpful.

I've got the itch to upgrade my phono amp and have narrowed it down to the Manley Steelhead V2 RC and the Mola Mola Lupe. I currently use the now discontinued Herron Audio VTPH-2 tube phono stage (VTPH-2 Info). The rest of my system is solid state. The phono stage goes direct into powered Kii Three BXT speaker system (Kii Three BXT info). I've always been a little nervous to switch to a solid state phono stage for fear of the sound becoming too clinical given the rest of my components. But, I've read such good things about the Lupe that I'm considering that switch.

Given that you have owned both the Steelhead and the Lupe, can you provide more details on how these two sounded in your system and your thoughts on what you think might be the better choice for me given my situation?

Both the Steelhead V2 RC and the Lupe look to have nearly equal amounts of customization to suit whatever cartridge you throw at it (I am using a Hana Umami Blue and a Miyajima Labs Zero Mono cartridge) and given that both phono stages are almost identically priced, the deciding factor for me will be the sound quality. Thanks in advance for yours or anyone else's input here.
I didn't own the Steelhead and Lupe close enough to do a direct comparison so I can only go by the commutative property which admittedly, in audio like in boxing, doesn't always follow (Frazier beat Ali... Foreman destroyed Frazier... but then we all know what happened in Zaire).

But by that commutative property to my ears the Lupe was better. I went from the Steelhead to the Allnic H3000 (thread about that - https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/manley-steelhead-vs-allnic-h3000.35043/) and I thought the Allnic was better than the Steelhead by a noticeable but not jaw-dropping margin. The Steelhead in my memory did not sound like a tube phono stage and there was something a little dry and uninvolving about it overall that led me to want to move on. Also with the Steelhead I had, to use the mono switch I had to use the variable outputs (enabling the volume and pre-amp function) and I found it to sound better using the fixed outputs (but I needed the mono switch because my Miyajima mono cart hums if the channels aren't summed). So that bothered me. The sound of the H3000 had more heft, a touch of tube bloom but just a touch, and was more insightful than the Steelhead, just produced more information up and down the dynamic spectrum (of course the Allnic had no mono switch at all...). Like I said it wasn't a night and day upgrade but it was easy to hear.

From there, still not satisfied, I went to the Ypsilon. That was a night and day upgrade over the H3000. With the Ypsilon I felt like I'd moved into a different class of phono preamp altogether.

I went through the rest of my phono preamp odyssey from that point in my original post so I won't do it again. Suffice it to say that I think the Lupe is punching in the Ypsilon's weight class in terms of SQ, which is rarified air. In terms of convenience it is the best phono stage I know of.

All of that said... I plan to sell my Lupe. I splurged on a Dartzeel CTH-8550 mk II and I made that move knowing that to offset the cost I'd have to sell the Lupe and use the onboard phono stages on the CTH (I've recently moved from a three tonearm set-up to two). Those Dart phono stages are not the equal of the Lupe by any means but in the Dartzeel way they have so much of the magic of the brand's overall sound signature such that it is a net gain (I'm finding the CTH on the whole to be revelatory). I felt the same way honestly about the onboard DAC of the Dartzeel LHC-208 versus the Weiss DAC501 (which is my favorite DAC). Objectively the Weiss was better. But the DAC in the LHC was no slouch, and had some seductive synergy with the amp in general that made me not miss the 501 at all.

Bottom line - I've become a raving Dart fanboy (maybe not great timing on that score...). Nevertheless I stand by my assessment of the Lupe. In this review - https://highfidelity.pl/@main-1341&lang=en - Wojiech wrote "If this unit were to be packaged in a large enclosure, add an external power supply, and sold under a brand known for its phono products, Lupe could cost two or even three times as much and still be a star." I agree with that completely. I also notice that Michael Trei seems to have adopted the Lupe as a reference unit after reviewing it at Stereophile - https://www.stereophile.com/content/spin-doctor-10-tone-controls-vinyl-eq-curves-and-mola-mola-lupe.
 
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