Moreso, why is it a digital copy of a 15 ips tape doesn't sound at all like the source?After all, it should sound exactly the same.
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Marty-Are all of your comments directed at linear vice pivoted tonearms? If you haven’t heard one of today’s 12” arms at your house, you have no idea how far pivoted arms have come in recent years. I owned (and still have) and used an ET-2 for many years and loved this arm for many reasons with purity being right at the top of the list. I always felt like LPs sounded great from the first cut to the last cut without ever being conscious of inner groove distortion. 9” and 10” pivoted arms just couldn’t pull that trick off in my experience. For the first time for me with a pivoted arm, (the SME 312s) I get that same sensation of having no inner groove distortion. I really like this arm and after hearing what a good 12” arm can do, I wouldn’t go back to a 9” or 10” arm. I also don’t yearn to have the ET-2 back in my system as I always did before whenever I removed it from play. My point to all of this is that if you are comparing linear tracking arms to 9” or 10” arms, I agree the linear tracking arm will have less distortion. Now throw in a 12” arm and the fight becomes much fairer. I can no longer hear a distortion advantage that favors the linear arm. In fact, I think the sound is as pure as can be.
Did I read somewhere that all of your sources including analog are converted to digital in your system? If so, that may explain why you never play your records anymore. Either that or something is possibly amiss with your analog frontend that has caused you to want to stop listening to it. I don’t know too many people who own a top notch LP frontend that have quit using it because they fell head over heels for the sound of digital (Frantz does come to mind though). I have known plenty of people that used to own crappy table/arms/cartridges and poor condition LPs that went gaga when they first heard digital at its most evil state of existence.
I always think it is in poor taste when someone comes to your house and listens to your system and feels free to trash everything you own. I have been around those types of people. I tend to keep my mouth shut if I don’t like the way something sounds at someone else’s house unless they really want to know what I think, and then I don’t come out shooting with both guns blazing like some dime store cowboy.
I was just wondering if back then if Marty let it be known he had a preference for your analog or your digital setup. Did you have a strong preference yourself back then?
steve williams
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I understand that Steve. I was just wondering if Marty even then had a preference for which sounded better at Mike's house-his digitial or analog setup.
-----Mike, where do you see the Turntables in the future, like forty years from now?
...As collector's items or as state-of-the-art musical devices into the reproduction of whatever vinyls of yesterday, today, and tomorrow brings to the table?
And 40 years from now, where the CD will be? Dead and replaced by hi res audio streaming, or hardly alive and still floating on the ocean's surface? ...Or at the bottom, on its floor?
Last; is there a future for physical/musical/visual mediums? ...Forty years from now?
THX :b
P.S. Those above few simple questions are also free for Myles, Marty, Bill, or any other member here to answer, of course.
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i openned a new thread to answer NorthStar's question here;
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7690-turntables-in-the-future&p=130748#post130748
---Hi Mike,
I also started a new thread on this exact subject from your above post, with my quote (from Myles' suggestion).
{It is easy to find out as it is also in the Turntables section of the forums.}
...It was also posted 6 minutes before yours. :b
Here: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7687-The-Future-of-Turntables
I also started a new thread on this exact subject from your above post, with my quote (from Myles' suggestion).
{It is easy to find out as it is also in the Turntables section of the forums.}
...It was also posted 6 minutes before yours. :b
Here: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7687-The-Future-of-Turntables
---Hi Mike,
I also started a new thread on this exact subject from your above post, with my quote (from Myles' suggestion).
{It is easy to find out as it is also in the Turntables section of the forums.}
...It was also posted 6 minutes before yours. :b
Here: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7687-The-Future-of-Turntables
i asked the moderator to combine our threads. i was late posting because it took me awhile to properly answer your question.
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
i asked the moderator to combine our threads. i was late posting because it took me awhile to properly answer your question.
done
Mike,
You know I have the greatest respect for your knowledge and wisdom on matters audio. But I don’t think I disclosed anything that is new. The idea that pivotal tonearms have tracking angle distortion is simply a function of the fact that there can be only two “null points” across the record surface with zero distortion. This was first detailed, to the best of my knowledge in 1945 in the accompanying article by the Shure Cartridge company.
http://www.helices.org/auDio/turnTable/bauer.pdf
A more recent discourse of the subject can be found in a 2010 article in Stereophile.
http://www.stereophile.com/reference/arc_angles_optimizing_tonearm_geometry/index.html
Now, please don’t misunderstand my point. I am merely saying that this distortion is inherently there and is unavoidable. It has to be since the only way to get rid of error angle distortion is to have *no* error angle. That does not mean the distortion is unpleasant or particularly noticeable. After all, every audio system we listen to from the humblest to most extravagant has some degree of distortion. But make no mistake, induced distorion is there. It’s simply a limitation of the physics of a pivotal tonearm no matter whose paradigm one uses to do the set-up. It is no accident that all of these paradigms use the word “optimize” when describing tonearm alignment. Again, that’s because they simply cannot be perfect, or distortion-free.
Let me know when take ownership of Andy’s Sirius V tonearm. You may find newfound joy in returning to a tangential arm design that is devoid of the tracking distortion found in even the finest pivotal design! Could be time for another visit to Seattle!!
Marty
You know I have the greatest respect for your knowledge and wisdom on matters audio. But I don’t think I disclosed anything that is new. The idea that pivotal tonearms have tracking angle distortion is simply a function of the fact that there can be only two “null points” across the record surface with zero distortion. This was first detailed, to the best of my knowledge in 1945 in the accompanying article by the Shure Cartridge company.
http://www.helices.org/auDio/turnTable/bauer.pdf
A more recent discourse of the subject can be found in a 2010 article in Stereophile.
http://www.stereophile.com/reference/arc_angles_optimizing_tonearm_geometry/index.html
Now, please don’t misunderstand my point. I am merely saying that this distortion is inherently there and is unavoidable. It has to be since the only way to get rid of error angle distortion is to have *no* error angle. That does not mean the distortion is unpleasant or particularly noticeable. After all, every audio system we listen to from the humblest to most extravagant has some degree of distortion. But make no mistake, induced distorion is there. It’s simply a limitation of the physics of a pivotal tonearm no matter whose paradigm one uses to do the set-up. It is no accident that all of these paradigms use the word “optimize” when describing tonearm alignment. Again, that’s because they simply cannot be perfect, or distortion-free.
Let me know when take ownership of Andy’s Sirius V tonearm. You may find newfound joy in returning to a tangential arm design that is devoid of the tracking distortion found in even the finest pivotal design! Could be time for another visit to Seattle!!
Marty
Marty, another thread been started to cover this subject matter. This thread was intended for pictures of turntables.
Mods, can you do your magic again?
Mods, can you do your magic again?
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---Hi Marty, :b
Check this thread please: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7687-The-Future-of-Turntables
Check this thread please: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7687-The-Future-of-Turntables
Myles and NorthStar,
Sorry for my post here earlier (#210) but i did it before I knew about the other thread. Not sure I should transfer my reply to Mike Lavigne at this point so let's leave it where it is unless the moderators prefer to move it. BTW, you guys blew me away with your photos. Myles, the SOA systems were a gas and NorthStar, your OT photos are stunning.
Marty
Sorry for my post here earlier (#210) but i did it before I knew about the other thread. Not sure I should transfer my reply to Mike Lavigne at this point so let's leave it where it is unless the moderators prefer to move it. BTW, you guys blew me away with your photos. Myles, the SOA systems were a gas and NorthStar, your OT photos are stunning.
Marty
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