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[NorthStar]

Interesting thread & articles.

* In the future Audio signals will be transmitted through space (air), without mass.
{Back to our origin, the Large Collider...} :b

 

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It is you ... I do expect anyone who comes with an assertion that flies in the face of everything that I know (likely most other people ) to back it up with more substance than "I heard it and so did others" YMMV ...

Frank,
As you say , it will depend on reader. I find easy to accept that sometimes the origin of the copper can affect its sound, as it will dominate the type of impurities that the metal in its final form will carry. Most people will accept that cryogenics will affect the sound of cables - and this seems to me a smaller effect.

You may accuse me of playing with semantics but when you state : ... You qualify the member statement of inaccuracy.
Ina discussion forum some observations must if not be proven but at the very least be substantiated. The more unusual or extreme the assertion the more substance is required ... Thus the example about Frank's HTiB ... Also in discussion forums a person may choose not to change it stance or NOT .. The same person should be careful about what he or she says , else we fall into nonsense .. a useless forum ...

Parting Shot .. Bose Lifestyle 5 is more accurate than any system one would assemble with Wilson speakers + Spectral gear..

Would you go for that one ?

I hope I have never accused you of anything in WBF - if I did it was inadvertently and non-intentionally. .

Please do not take my words as defending the innacuracy - I was just trying to say that any sentence carrying the words "all" , "always" or "ever" will probably be inaccurate as you properly say, but the argument behind it can be interesting. Unhappily my experience with Spectral is very limited and never listened to Bose Lifestyle 5, I am out of this one. You win

 

[fas42]

Also, IMHO, when any member states that his system sounds better than any of our systems we all know it is hyperbolic comment, mainly due to his enthusiasm and biases. I can can choose between reading it or ignoring it after the first line. But as you say, the debate that usually follows does not prove anything ...

Howdy, gents. For those who've actually followed the underlying message of my contributions here, this won't be new. For the others, here's a quick rehash: my system, an almost worthless all-in-one HT setup is intended to prove a point, firstly to me. That is, any reasonable system can be tuned up, refined, enhanced in its current configuration to produce a very high level of reproduction, it's as simple as that. Of course my system is not "better" than other systems here, it's just got most of the significant weaknesses sorted out: if any of your systems were debugged to the same level, it would be obvious to all that yours were operating to a far higher standard than mine. For a start, the speaker drivers in mine have to be driven hard for a number of hours to be as smooth as most people would typically experience as normal driver characteristics.

People may talk of expectation bias and suchlike, but when a system works properly there are no if's and but's. I've mentioned several times that people who happen to be talking on the phone can easily pick up the characteristics of the system's behaviour, no-one's telling them what it should sound like!

So what's my agenda? Well, firstly to try and get rid of lousy sounding very expensive systems, I've experienced too many of them for one lifetime ...

Frank

 

[Steve williams]

That is, any reasonable system can be tuned up, refined, enhanced in its current configuration to produce a very high level of reproduction, it's as simple as that.

Not sure that I agree with this at all

As the saying goes you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

 

[fas42]

Not sure that I agree with this at all

As the saying goes you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

But that is my fundamental message: there is very little out there of a reasonable cost that is intrinsically of the quality of that ear: the work done by electrical part's manufacturers and designers of circuitry have done very good jobs over the decades in advancing the capabilities of audio components, they are of a sufficiently high standard to do the job well enough to please our, not the sow's, ears! Why the end results doesn't appear to work is because the final details are not fussed over sufficiently, it's all about the implementation. As an example, the designer of your Lamm amps is known to be extremely obsessive about getting the small details right, as is, as another example, the dartZeel man. I would guarantee that if a conventional audio company was given the job of recreating the amps made by these men, that the end result would yield a very marked drop in sound quality.

My working on the HT is a somewhat more extreme effort along these lines, again pointing out that the component parts in themselves are good enough to do the job, and that meticulous attention to detail yields large rewards ...

Frank