did you ever measure Stillpoints Ultra 5's ? It would be interesting especially since these footers seem to use similar bearing technology that Stillpoints has been using for years now..
Hard Point Trinia footers---very impressed
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did you ever measure Stillpoints Ultra 5's ? It would be interesting especially since these footers seem to use similar bearing technology that Stillpoints has been using for years now..
if you look at the second picture in my original post it shows 2 wood boxes each with 4 Trinia's. in each box is a plastic sleeve with 4 screw posts. it appears that these screw posts are used to attach the Trinia to the Artesania arm in place of the pad (or over the top of the pad). it's possible it does not work that way but that is what it looks like to me.
Hi, sbnx~!
HI FI Stay has various type screws for Trinia to be compatible to all type racks.
Also if your component is used a screw that we don't have, we will customize it.
When ordering, you can ask for special type to us.
Since Mike uses Adona Flagship Rack, we just send standard screws that were the most used.
If Mike changes to Artesania type rack, he just sends me email.
Mike is right~!
I want Trinia to compare to global foot dampers.
So I introduced it in WBF.
Fascinating thread Mike and thank you Esotar from joining the discussion with some details. Thank you for the nice photos in the opening post. Of course, I am not surprised that someone quickly asked about the Center Stage footers. It will be interesting if someone here does an actual direct comparison under one component. A few contrasting descriptions come to mind. The CS footers describe mostly soundstage and sense of immersion impressions, seeming to focus on low level information imbedded in the recording becoming more apparent through the lowering of overall system noise floor. You seem to be describing an overall improvement in resolution and clarity. Are these distinctions correct as I have described them?
Another contrast seems to be the break in period and availability. Are these Trinia footers immediately available for purchase? From your descriptions, it seems that their effect is immediately noticeable without the need for break in. Have you tried three footers instead of four per component?
You describe the component as "floating" when placed on these footers. If one applies force from one side, does the component sway gently and then eventually come to rest again? Do you know if these footers are recommended under turntables? I only saw images of CDPs and amplifiers in the chart. Interestingly, the suggested placement of the rear footers are different for these two components.
Congratulations Mike for finding yet another way to improve the sound of your system, which by all accounts, was already "mature". I commend you for taking the risk and trying the recommendation from Esotar. It will be interesting over time as user impressions start to hit this forum for both the CS footers and the Trinia to see what this new wave of vibration management is all about.
Another contrast seems to be the break in period and availability. Are these Trinia footers immediately available for purchase? From your descriptions, it seems that their effect is immediately noticeable without the need for break in. Have you tried three footers instead of four per component?
You describe the component as "floating" when placed on these footers. If one applies force from one side, does the component sway gently and then eventually come to rest again? Do you know if these footers are recommended under turntables? I only saw images of CDPs and amplifiers in the chart. Interestingly, the suggested placement of the rear footers are different for these two components.
Congratulations Mike for finding yet another way to improve the sound of your system, which by all accounts, was already "mature". I commend you for taking the risk and trying the recommendation from Esotar. It will be interesting over time as user impressions start to hit this forum for both the CS footers and the Trinia to see what this new wave of vibration management is all about.
For completeness..Stillpoints needs to be in the comparison mix. These appear to use similar ceramic bearing technology to drain energy and decouple from the rack/stand....just like Stillpojnts...a different tonal flavor perhaps ?
Hi, PeterA
I have 10 DACs.
As a result of various test about Trinia, Trinia can hold component not to fix.
Serene's touch point is four (1 ceramic bsll X 4), and Trinia's touch point twelve (3 ceramic balls X 4).
Only increasing touching points can hold almost DAC.
But in one case, no fix Trinia causes problem.
[In case of using to very light DAC like Aqua La Voce S2]
Of cause, there is solution.
Using normal thickness cables can solve this problem.
I have Brooklyn DAC.
No problem. (I use Entreq Atlantis Digital Power cable and Atlantis Eartha cable)
I tested trinia to install under total 23 DACs, and only La Voce S2 made trouble.
Here is my DACs' picture. Except for picture, I have MSB Analog DAC, Spring Lv. 3 KTE, and Denafrips Terminator.
All DAC I have never slip on my rack. (I have La Scala MK II, not La Voce S2)
Trinia was tested with Turntable, CDT, Power Amplifiers.
Trinia 1 pcs can work perfectly within 30Kg.
In case of 3 pcs, 75Kg
4pcs : 105Kg
But we don't recommend to use Trinia under Power Amp.
HI FI Stay doesn't distributors of America and Europe.
But you can buy Trinia.
Send me email written amount sets you want.
Also you can order three footers set.
Trinia's 1 pcs price is $ 470 US.
Yes, I agree Christian, but do you know anyone willing to do these comparisons? I suspect, just as in the case with racks, we will be left to surmise efficacy from individual, separate, user reports in unrelated contexts, which is certainly better than nothing and can be very helpful.
I think the bolded part tells us much. most feedback on why people have moved away from Stillpoint was related to colorations (and I'm not suggesting that it was any universal viewpoint). my only experience with Stillpoint was on Steve Dobbins turntable plinths 6-7 years ago, so I can't comment about it. but obviously this was a concern (unfounded as it turned out) to Taiko when using the Hardpoint Serene.
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from reading feedback on the CS footers; yes. the context of my system is already an ultra immersion presentation, what the Trinia brings out is more information in that immersion, and less a sense of any reproduction chain. it lowers blur, smear, and distortion. which does improve things in every parameter, not just one aspect.
no; not tried 3.....yet.
yes; I heard their effect from the first note.....possibly a bit of settling in over a day or so but that might have been me.
my understanding is that as a brand new product, they are building the Trinia's now, and I had to wait a week for my 2 to be shipped as they needed to be built. but it's not any long line....yet.
yes; when pushed the component sways back and forth for 10-15 seconds until it comes to rest....but very gently so. it moves with the slightest touch.
not enough time yet for me to be able to help with this. Esotar has already talked about this.
adding a 3 box 'uber' digital player + server did add some juice to finding a passive partner to my active isolation (too many boxes to afford all active). and I think I've found a very, very, good one (just my viewpoint...YMMV).
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I will try a set of the PP Feet once I'm settled into my new listening room. Late summer most likely. Could be earlier. I would do a direct compare with them and the Ultra 5 and or Ultra SS.
Apart from my priority in things, this is the main reason for my hesitation on CS footers. Shifting from good to better on first note cant fool me. First note always comes from the ears less the brain. I am glad to hear your system improve even further Mike.
Kind regards,
Tang
By Mike's great feedback, I'm very happy and gained confidence.
The thing that I have shocked highly is for Trinia's best effect to be installed under MSB Select DAC II.
Mike has many experiences about High-End HI FI, and I believe his feedback.
But I think that HI FI Stay needs to receive official result by HI FI experts.
I never believe HI FI site's review.
So I have schedule to send Trinia to MSB Technology.
MSB's service for customers is very nice, but I wonder if they meet my request officially.
Trinia already is received fantastic result from Light Harmonic & Sehnheiser.
Since Hard Point is born by digital component's quality up, I think that Trinia must be tested from digital no. 1 MSB Technology.
I want to know your opinions.
The thing that I have shocked highly is for Trinia's best effect to be installed under MSB Select DAC II.
Mike has many experiences about High-End HI FI, and I believe his feedback.
But I think that HI FI Stay needs to receive official result by HI FI experts.
I never believe HI FI site's review.
So I have schedule to send Trinia to MSB Technology.
MSB's service for customers is very nice, but I wonder if they meet my request officially.
Trinia already is received fantastic result from Light Harmonic & Sehnheiser.
Since Hard Point is born by digital component's quality up, I think that Trinia must be tested from digital no. 1 MSB Technology.
I want to know your opinions.
New listening room, Christian? Tell us more, perhaps in a dedicated thread or your system page.
The whole trick is to have the roller bearings both hard to be sensitive and well damped. We had to go sort of crazy in our Advanced platform to achieve that.
Not a single instance of the platform changing tonality so far, which I treat as a measure of a success of our design.
Cheers,
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