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[morricab]

If you play a boring violin performance, good recording… you will get tone. You won’t be able to judge inflections/nuances, intensity, as well as say a good chaconne recording or any good cadenza. How well a violin is integrated with the orchestra depends also on the miking and the mastering.

Yes, will be able to…you are saying nonsense…will it be done as artfully, no…but you will hear what they do just fine.

mikkng and mastering is about SOUND quality not the performance…again you conflate these things together.

 

[morricab]

on the trio of good performances, recordings, and systems you can appreciate the performer better and understand the conductor more, you can hear/visualise the counterpointing.

otherwise it is just one big sound

No, good recordings and systems allow you to judge performances, not the other way around.

 

[bonzo75]

Yes, will be able to…you are saying nonsense…will it be done as artfully, no…but you will hear what they do just fine.

mikkng and mastering is about SOUND quality not the performance…again you conflate these things together.

No you are clueless - oh wait, you recorded your Ex playing a violin. I ROFL at that each time

 

[bonzo75]

No, good recordings and systems allow you to judge performances, not the other way around.

did I say performances only allow you to judge recordings and systems? You twist so many things in your replies.

 

[morricab]

No you are clueless - oh wait, you recorded your Ex playing a violin. I ROFL at that each time

The sign of someone who has no argument

 

[morricab]

did I say performances only allow you to judge recordings and systems? You twist so many things in your replies.

You are the one saying the performance has to be good to be a valid recording for a system evaluation…

 

[morricab]

No you are clueless - oh wait, you recorded your Ex playing a violin. I ROFL at that each time

You’ve made how many live recordings of classical performances? I sat through hundreds of practice and concerts. Recorded about a dozen of them. Your experience = 0.

 

[bonzo75]

You are the one saying the performance has to be good to be a valid recording for a system evaluation…

i said both performance and recording for system evaluation, and coupled with a good system they let you understand the performers better

 

[bonzo75]

You’ve made how many live recordings of classical performances? I sat through hundreds of practice and concerts. Recorded about a dozen of them. Your experience = 0.

so you judge on your recording experience Vs some expert at decca’s? Take an original. Take the ERC copy of the same performance from the same master tape. Compare the two. You will see how much expertise of the original decca/Columbia / etc crew matters. Just different people cutting over the tape to lacquer and the LP between them and the ERC

 

[bonzo75]

Compare two decca’s of the same performance from different engineers (which you can get from the matrix in the deadwax)

 

[tima]

Good system and good recording let you gauge performance. In combo I agree you can gain a better understanding of conductor's or performer's intent. You don't need a great performance to assess a system but a good recording really helps. AAA and the absence of audiophile vinyl can help too.

 

[morricab]

i said both performance and recording for system evaluation, and coupled with a good system they let you understand the performers better

And I said that the performance is not relevant to evaluation of a system...it likely enhances your enjoyment of a piece of music but to judge a system, nah not buying your BS.

 

[morricab]

so you judge on your recording experience Vs some expert at decca’s? Take an original. Take the ERC copy of the same performance from the same master tape. Compare the two. You will see how much expertise of the original decca/Columbia / etc crew matters. Just different people cutting over the tape to lacquer and the LP between them and the ERC

complete non-sequitur.

 

[bonzo75]

And I said that the performance is not relevant to evaluation of a system...it likely enhances your enjoyment of a piece of music but to judge a system, nah not buying your BS.

Where will the intensity and nuance come from? Better violinists will have not inflections, lesser ones will gloss over

 

[morricab]

Compare two decca’s of the same performance from different engineers (which you can get from the matrix in the deadwax)

Has nothing to do with system evaluation.

 

[bonzo75]

complete non-sequitur.

it shows that the crew matters

 

[morricab]

Where will the intensity and nuance come from? Better violinists will have not inflections, lesser ones will gloss over

We are still talking about professionals, right? There will be better or worse but they will still have inflections and subtleties...there is still plenty of low level signal to focus on to establish resolution of a system and micro/macro dynamics etc. etc. if the recording and system are good enough.

 

[morricab]

it shows that the crew matters

irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[bonzo75]

We are still talking about professionals, right? There will be better or worse but they will still have inflections and subtleties...there is still plenty of low level signal to focus on to establish resolution of a system and micro/macro dynamics etc. etc. if the recording and system are good enough.

well where the ERC is Bad sounding I wouldn’t use it to judge a system.

on some of these amateur tapes, I would not use them either. They have great sound, but poor performances plus recorded very close in room unlike a real concert hall. The ambience (lack of) feels weird too

 

[morricab]

well where the ERC is Bad sounding I wouldn’t use it to judge a system.

on some of these amateur tapes, I would not use them either. They have great sound, but poor performances plus recorded very close in room unlike a real concert hall. The ambience (lack of) feels weird too

Again, all irrelevant to judging sound quality.