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Yes, order and type, high pass and low pass for each driver, cutoff points, low shelf, attenuation and time alignment of each driver.
Which digital Xover or software? I have a mini-DSP device that works well but since I want analog too I now use an Accuphase analog active Xover. Drivers don’t need a lot of help so basic functions is sufficient.IMG_3338.jpeg
 
Yes, order and type, high pass and low pass for each driver, cutoff points, low shelf, attenuation and time alignment of each driver.
And… what did it come up with?

Which digital Xover or software? I have a mini-DSP device that works well but since I want analog too I now use an Accuphase analog active Xover. Drivers don’t need a lot of help so basic functions is sufficient.
What orders are you using?
 
8.) Magico and Pass Labs XP32 and XA200.8
If it were medieval times I would order a decree to behead every audiophile who dare not pair Pass Labs with Magico from this day forth. Extreme? Perhaps, but highly warranted. Not Pilium or any other amp comes close to breathing life into a (fairly) lifeless speaker in my book like Pass Labs does for Magico.

I have exactly the same observation. I had two Magico and Pass based system for years. If you have any interest, you can check out my “sublime sound” system thread. I also posted a number of videos. Once I learned about proper system set up, that system was very engaging and I enjoyed it a lot.
 
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I have exactly the same observation. I had two Magico and Pass based system for years. If you have any interest, you can check out my “sublime sound” system thread. I also posted a number of videos. Once I learned about proper system set up, that system was very engaging and I enjoyed it a lot.
It's almost a "no brainer" in my mind to do this pairing for Magico. At least from the standpoint of how I hear music. I was quite impressed in Munich. I do very much enjoy the sound of your horn setup as well, so I'd say things went in a "more organic" direction for your sound -- which is great. But at the same time, for the Magico, yes, unless I hear better, I would stick with Pass Labs for both pre and power. One of the pure class A power designs.
 
And… what did it come up with?


What orders are you using?
It came up with a very nutty semi-asymmetrical design using 2nd, 3rd and 4th order slopes. Also, very, very precise time alignments. But it required a huge amount of measured data as well as an 18-page prompt. With that said, across the entire band, the phase coherence is kept at some insanely tight minimum (would never be able to design this manually) and with a fantastic frequency curve while keeping each driver in their optimal working range.
 
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Which digital Xover or software? I have a mini-DSP device that works well but since I want analog too I now use an Accuphase analog active Xover. Drivers don’t need a lot of help so basic functions is sufficient.View attachment 151900
You are definitely heading in the right direction. Think similar setup but taking things to extreme in many ways: in terms of power supplies, analogue sections and digital hash EMI/RFI control as well as stripping down digital to bare bones so that it has the least amount of negative impact to the sound.
 
It came up with a very nutty semi-asymmetrical design using 2nd, 3rd and 4th order slopes. Also, very, very precise time alignments. But it required a huge amount of measured data as well as an 18-page prompt. With that said, across the entire band, the phase coherence is kept at some insanely tight minimum (would never be able to design this manually) and with a fantastic frequency curve while keeping each driver in their optimal working range.
How does the impluse response look?

In theory one may be able to model it, and use some Monti-Carlo method to roll through (the seemingly endless) number of case to meet some cost function.

That 18 page could be interesting to see if you were to considering sharing it.
The AI prompts to be are lot of back-n-force… maybe like a hostage negotiation.
 
How does the impluse response look?

In theory one may be able to model it, and use some Monti-Carlo method to roll through (the seemingly endless) number of case to meet some cost function.

That 18 page could be interesting to see if you were to considering sharing it.
The AI prompts to be are lot of back-n-force… maybe like a hostage negotiation.
Everything looks incredibly good measurment-wise. To the point I couldn’t design this myself probably ever.

IT is my profession and this was a nice experiment combining my passion with work. Don’t plan to share anything yet.
 
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You are definitely heading in the right direction. Think similar setup but taking things to extreme in many ways: in terms of power supplies, analogue sections and digital hash EMI/RFI control as well as stripping down digital to bare bones so that it has the least amount of negative impact to the sound.
I have a power filter as well as power regeneration on the sources. System is all tube except for the Active crossover. Final stage is a tube crossover.
 
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I have a power filter as well as power regeneration on the sources. System is all tube except for the Active crossover. Final stage is a tube crossover.
Respect sir. That’s a great approach.
 
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Could you drive your setup with tubes?
Yes, absolutely. But I have built a tube buffer. I am bypassing the op-amps and going straight from the DAC to the 8 tube buffered outputs and then into power amps. Power amps are classic AB, but they are three identical amps. Personally, I believe it's important to keep consistency in cables and amps when doing a multiway active. Also, this suits me for now because it removes variable(s) from the equation which is having consistency in amps sensitivity, input impedance, slew rates, etc.

In the past of course I used tubes (various kinds), pure class A, etc, on the tweeters and midrange drivers in my active setups. Even though I am a huge tube fan, oddly enough, to my ears the sound of pure (real) class A was unmatched for highs. I distinctly and to this day remember ... I think(?) it was a Pass Labs 40W power amp design I recall as having sublime highs in my active setup.

Think it was this one: https://www.passdiy.com/project/amplifiers/the-pass-a-40-power-amplifier
 
If you're interested in a wonderfully simple Class A design, I recommend the Valvet E 2se power amps. If 12-20 watts are enough, there's hardly anything better. The power amps don't need any further tweaking. Excellent jacks, feet, and component quality. Used for €2k.
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Love me some Jennifer Warnes. Very nice
 
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I kind of reserve this spot for my own thoughts on hi-fi -- not to throw my hat into too many arguments -- but it baffles me how what I regard as some simple truths keeps getting drowned in the noise:

1.) Horns + SET amps = win
2.) Planars + High power SS = win
3.) Anything that works with said speakers + dynamic speakers = great overall performer
4.) Tubes somewhere in the path = win

Can you really truly argue this?
 
I kind of reserve this spot for my own thoughts on hi-fi -- not to throw my hat into too many arguments -- but it baffles me how what I regard as some simple truths keeps getting drowned in the noise:

1.) Horns + SET amps = win
2.) Planars + High power SS = win
3.) Anything that works with said speakers + dynamic speakers = great overall performer
4.) Tubes somewhere in the path = win

Can you really truly argue this?
Very simple truth...
 
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