Is anyone using the Innuos Phoenix Net with their Statement?

CDC77

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I have been toying with the idea of installing a quality Ethernet switch to bring a high quality Ethernet cable “the last mile” into my Innuos Statement and then Innuos released its PhoenixNet Ethernet switch at a higher price point than other well regarded switches like the English switch from Chord. Going from the PhoenixNet to the Statement is intriguing, but would it justify the higher price? I have the impression Innuos intended for the PhoenixNet to enhance its Zenith server and have not seen much discussion about pairing it with a Statement. Has anyone tried this?
 

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I have not tried PhoenixNet and Statement but I did try PhoenixNet and Grimm MU1. The latter was an excellent pairing in my system.

The only person I know who has tried PhoeniexNet and Statement was my dealer for the PhoenixNet.

See the initial take and updated take here:

He doesn't mention the streamer being a Statement directly but I know from emailing with him the streamer was the Statement.
 

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Hi there CDC77,
To first answer your question, yes I have been using a PhoenixNet in conjunction with my Statement and I am delighted with the results.

First lets look at what the PhoenixNet actually represents in terms of value. Its common to refer to the PN as a switch and compare it to other switches, but that really isnt a fair or even valid comparison. Many switches on the market are based on modifications of existing low cost network switches, originally designed solely to work in a network environment, with their audio focus coming by way of add-ons like better clocks, filters, power supplies etc. whereas the PN was designed from the ground up to be a great sounding audio component. How does that actually relate to the PN design?
Firstly the power supplies, designed by PS specialist DR Sean Jacobs, have a unique architecture. Using the finest sounding Mundorf capacitors and very low noise, Statement grade transformers, the supply’s architecture is unique in that the critical regulator stages are placed right next to their ‘user clients’, so both the clock and the network switch chip have their own independent DC supplies…..placed right where they’re needed, so no DC cables or even internal cabling required. The switching chip itself was selected for both its sound and its very low noise output. It is then further screened to prevent EMI radiation and contamination. Power supply transformers are extremely well screened and the PS is optimised for low ripple and very low noise. If you were to add similar power supplies to another switch, you’d need a top quality dual rail supply plus 2 very high quality DC cables. The clocks for both the Ethernet input and output are Connor-Winfield (afaik) units with excellent phase noise characteristics and 3 parts per billion (ppb) accuracy with their intimate DC supplies as mentioned. Again, to reproduce that with another switch would either require an external clock plus 2 high quality clock cables or a built-in Pink Faun OCXO Ultra modification with its external 5V supply rail and DC cable.
Then there’s the RJ45 connectors. These are high quality units, individually mounted to avoid vibration and paired with oversize, audio quality isolation transformers.
Hi-fi’s, including network components are based on a common principal that in terms of resulting sound quality the better the incoming signal, the better the outgoing signal. The PN benefits from this by the fact that the incoming signal is improved via all the above measures and likewise the outgoing signal is improved. To duplicate this would otherwise require 2 cascaded switches….one to improve the input to the 2nd switch, whose output would then be improved.
Finally, the doubly improved data stream gets to the Statement and on the same basis of better in —-better out the stream is once more improved and refined at the Statement‘s input before being processed and output on a similarly optimized USB port. As you can see from the above, the careful combination and optimization of components really does result in a high value unit that is then optimally screened against stray EMI and isolated against vibration by way of specifically tuned footers.
So how does it all sound? In a word wonderful. Adding a PN before the Statement’s input had a huge effect on my level of enjoyment and emotional response to the music. The upgrade transcends the usual hi-fi descriptions …….the Statement already does all that….. and adds a lot of characteristics that relate solely to the quality of the music and the communication of its message and beauty. The music sounds more natural and realistic….it has more body, depth, timbral information, intensity and structure. The music sound more like musicians playing instruments ie its more like ‘a trombone playing music’ than it is ‘music made by a trombone’ …..the music sounds like its being freshly created by the musicians. In addition the playing venue and all its reverberations and characteristics are more clearly portrayed……in other words you hear music being played in a venue that is most definitely not your room.

I have compared the PN to a Melco S100 + PF Ultra OCXO with dual rail DC4 and while they both do very similar things, they do them very differently. The Melco PF is about purity, precision, timing, beauty, drama, impact, precision and rhythmic interplay while the PN is about some of that but with emphasis on the naturalness and organic nature of the music and its musical message….Both do things incredibly well such that an audiophile would likely be extremely happy with either but will have a preference when the 2 are compared. The great thing is that if you cascade the 2 (big $) you do get both qualities….nicely illustrating that the improvements of one are built on top of the improvements of the other. Personally if i had to chose I’d go for a PN simply because I get really great results that I love and it costs a lot less $$$.

Hope this helps
 
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CDC77

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Hi there CDC77,
To first answer your question, yes I have been using a PhoenixNet in conjunction with my Statement and I am delighted with the results.

First lets look at what the PhoenixNet actually represents in terms of value. Its common to refer to the PN as a switch and compare it to other switches, but that really isnt a fair or even valid comparison. Many switches on the market are based on modifications of existing low cost network switches, originally designed solely to work in a network environment, with their audio focus coming by way of add-ons like better clocks, filters, power supplies etc. whereas the PN was designed from the ground up to be a great sounding audio component. How does that actually relate to the PN design?
Firstly the power supplies, designed by PS specialist DR Sean Jacobs, have a unique architecture. Using the finest sounding Mundorf capacitors and very low noise, Statement grade transformers, the supply’s architecture is unique in that the critical regulator stages are placed right next to their ‘user clients’, so both the clock and the network switch chip have their own independent DC supplies…..placed right where they’re needed, so no DC cables or even internal cabling required. The switching chip itself was selected for both its sound and its very low noise output. It is then further screened to prevent EMI radiation and contamination. Power supply transformers are extremely well screened and the PS is optimised for low ripple and very low noise. If you were to add similar power supplies to another switch, you’d need a top quality dual rail supply plus 2 very high quality DC cables. The clocks for both the Ethernet input and output are Connor-Winfield (afaik) units with excellent phase noise characteristics and 3 parts per billion (ppb) accuracy with their intimate DC supplies as mentioned. Again, to reproduce that with another switch would either require an external clock plus 2 high quality clock cables or a built-in Pink Faun OCXO Ultra modification with its external 5V supply rail and DC cable.
Then there’s the RJ45 connectors. These are high quality units, individually mounted to avoid vibration and paired with oversize, audio quality isolation transformers.
Hi-fi’s, including network components are based on a common principal that in terms of resulting sound quality the better the incoming signal, the better the outgoing signal. The PN benefits from this by the fact that the incoming signal is improved via all the above measures and likewise the outgoing signal is improved. To duplicate this would otherwise require 2 cascaded switches….one to improve the input to the 2nd switch, whose output would then be improved.
Finally, the doubly improved data stream gets to the Statement and on the same basis of better in —-better out the stream is once more improved and refined at the Statement‘s input before being processed and output on a similarly optimized USB port. As you can see from the above, the careful combination and optimization of components really does result in a high value unit that is then optimally screened against stray EMI and isolated against vibration by way of specifically tuned footers.
So how does it all sound? In a word wonderful. Adding a PN before the Statement’s input had a huge effect on my level of enjoyment and emotional response to the music. The upgrade transcends the usual hi-fi descriptions …….the Statement already does all that….. and adds a lot of characteristics that relate solely to the quality of the music and the communication of its message and beauty. The music sounds more natural and realistic….it has more body, depth, timbral information, intensity and structure. The music sound more like musicians playing instruments ie its more like ‘a trombone playing music’ than it is ‘music made by a trombone’ …..the music sounds like its being freshly created by the musicians. In addition the playing venue and all its reverberations and characteristics are more clearly portrayed……in other words you hear music being played in a venue that is most definitely not your room.

I have compared the PN to a Melco S100 + PF Ultra OCXO with dual rail DC4 and while they both do very similar things, they do them very differently. The Melco PF is about purity, precision, timing, beauty, drama, impact, precision and rhythmic interplay while the PN is about some of that but with emphasis on the naturalness and organic nature of the music and its musical message….Both do things incredibly well such that an audiophile would likely be extremely happy with either but will have a preference when the 2 are compared. The great thing is that if you cascade the 2 (big $) you do get both qualities….nicely illustrating that the improvements of one are built on top of the improvements of the other. Personally if i had to chose I’d go for a PN simply because I get really great results that I love and it costs a lot less $$$.

Hope this helps
Thanks … I pulled the trigger the other day and await delivery of the PN. Our router is located a couple rooms away from our audio room, and so I am running a pretty good Ethernet cable under the floor, right now it plugs into the Statement. My thought was to being the Ethernet to the PN, then use an even better Ethernet cable “the last meter” to the Statement. May I ask if that is the set up you chose? Someone else suggested the PN should be next to the router to enhance the stream closer to our source and not worry about the last mile. Any thoughts on this? Thank you.
 

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Hi CDC,
I use wireless to an ethernet bridge between my router and my music room, followed by ethernet cable to the PN. I tried a variety of other strategies and this proved to be the best sonically for my installation. In your case I would use the long run of Ethernet cable to the PN then a short cable run to the Statement. I would leave the PN patch cord in the box as its nowhere near as good as the Synergistic Research I use and the impact is big. That last meter of cable needs to be carefully selected as it has an impact, as do power cords on both the PN and Statement
 
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CDC77

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Hi CDC,
I use wireless to an ethernet bridge between my router and my music room, followed by ethernet cable to the PN. I tried a variety of other strategies and this proved to be the best sonically for my installation. In your case I would use the long run of Ethernet cable to the PN then a short cable run to the Statement. I would leave the PN patch cord in the box as its nowhere near as good as the Synergistic Research I use and the impact is big. That last meter of cable needs to be carefully selected as it has an impact, as do power cords on both the PN and Statement
Thank you again, excellent advice!
 

CDC77

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Hi there CDC77,
To first answer your question, yes I have been using a PhoenixNet in conjunction with my Statement and I am delighted with the results.

First lets look at what the PhoenixNet actually represents in terms of value. Its common to refer to the PN as a switch and compare it to other switches, but that really isnt a fair or even valid comparison. Many switches on the market are based on modifications of existing low cost network switches, originally designed solely to work in a network environment, with their audio focus coming by way of add-ons like better clocks, filters, power supplies etc. whereas the PN was designed from the ground up to be a great sounding audio component. How does that actually relate to the PN design?
Firstly the power supplies, designed by PS specialist DR Sean Jacobs, have a unique architecture. Using the finest sounding Mundorf capacitors and very low noise, Statement grade transformers, the supply’s architecture is unique in that the critical regulator stages are placed right next to their ‘user clients’, so both the clock and the network switch chip have their own independent DC supplies…..placed right where they’re needed, so no DC cables or even internal cabling required. The switching chip itself was selected for both its sound and its very low noise output. It is then further screened to prevent EMI radiation and contamination. Power supply transformers are extremely well screened and the PS is optimised for low ripple and very low noise. If you were to add similar power supplies to another switch, you’d need a top quality dual rail supply plus 2 very high quality DC cables. The clocks for both the Ethernet input and output are Connor-Winfield (afaik) units with excellent phase noise characteristics and 3 parts per billion (ppb) accuracy with their intimate DC supplies as mentioned. Again, to reproduce that with another switch would either require an external clock plus 2 high quality clock cables or a built-in Pink Faun OCXO Ultra modification with its external 5V supply rail and DC cable.
Then there’s the RJ45 connectors. These are high quality units, individually mounted to avoid vibration and paired with oversize, audio quality isolation transformers.
Hi-fi’s, including network components are based on a common principal that in terms of resulting sound quality the better the incoming signal, the better the outgoing signal. The PN benefits from this by the fact that the incoming signal is improved via all the above measures and likewise the outgoing signal is improved. To duplicate this would otherwise require 2 cascaded switches….one to improve the input to the 2nd switch, whose output would then be improved.
Finally, the doubly improved data stream gets to the Statement and on the same basis of better in —-better out the stream is once more improved and refined at the Statement‘s input before being processed and output on a similarly optimized USB port. As you can see from the above, the careful combination and optimization of components really does result in a high value unit that is then optimally screened against stray EMI and isolated against vibration by way of specifically tuned footers.
So how does it all sound? In a word wonderful. Adding a PN before the Statement’s input had a huge effect on my level of enjoyment and emotional response to the music. The upgrade transcends the usual hi-fi descriptions …….the Statement already does all that….. and adds a lot of characteristics that relate solely to the quality of the music and the communication of its message and beauty. The music sounds more natural and realistic….it has more body, depth, timbral information, intensity and structure. The music sound more like musicians playing instruments ie its more like ‘a trombone playing music’ than it is ‘music made by a trombone’ …..the music sounds like its being freshly created by the musicians. In addition the playing venue and all its reverberations and characteristics are more clearly portrayed……in other words you hear music being played in a venue that is most definitely not your room.

I have compared the PN to a Melco S100 + PF Ultra OCXO with dual rail DC4 and while they both do very similar things, they do them very differently. The Melco PF is about purity, precision, timing, beauty, drama, impact, precision and rhythmic interplay while the PN is about some of that but with emphasis on the naturalness and organic nature of the music and its musical message….Both do things incredibly well such that an audiophile would likely be extremely happy with either but will have a preference when the 2 are compared. The great thing is that if you cascade the 2 (big $) you do get both qualities….nicely illustrating that the improvements of one are built on top of the improvements of the other. Personally if i had to chose I’d go for a PN simply because I get really great results that I love and it costs a lot less $$$.

Hope this helps
Hello Blackmorec, my PhoenixNet arrived and I am noticing major enhancement of the music all the way around. I am using LessLoss CMARC power cable and firewall, and also am awaiting delivery of the FTA ethernet cable. Even using the Ethernet cable out of the box, the sound is great, a big step towards (almost) live music in our home.
 

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Hello Blackmorec, my PhoenixNet arrived and I am noticing major enhancement of the music all the way around. I am using LessLoss CMARC power cable and firewall, and also am awaiting delivery of the FTA ethernet cable. Even using the Ethernet cable out of the box, the sound is great, a big step towards (almost) live music in our home.
Well i‘m glad its hitting the spot right out of its box. For me the result was also unmistakable out of the box, but there is more to come once the unit fully warms up, then again later when it fully runs in.
In my system with the PN there’s this slightly eerie effect of transporting you from venue to venue, in which that live music is played. What makes it sound like live music? IMO its both the venue detail but also the energy and rhythmic togetherness with which the music is created. One thing to be careful about is that volume can creep up….and you don't really notice just how loud its getting until you stop listening, step out of the room, then resume on the same volume. Even at very high volume the music remains pure, lifelike and easy and its eventually the room that overloads when reflections become too loud and sustained.
 
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