Is Newt Any Different From Past Presidents?

One gets the impression that Newt, like his rival Mitt, is happy to be whatever he needs to be today.

Tim

Tell me one single politician where that is NOT the case. It's all about getting elected. Say during the campaign what the public wants to hear, then once elected, do what ever you want. Lies, lies, and more lies. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Lies, lies and more lies !!!
 
Tell me one single politician where that is NOT the case. It's all about getting elected. Say during the campaign what the public wants to hear, then once elected, do what ever you want. Lies, lies, and more lies. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Lies, lies and more lies !!!

I'm pretty disappointed in most of them, but it hasn't gotten quite that dark in my room just yet. I still see a difference between pols who lean a bit to the left or right durning the primaries, only to swing back toward center in the general elections, and those who completely reverse positons on defining issues as the winds blow. Romney as a right-wing conservative is about as credible as Clinton impersonating Noam Chomsky. Newt's swings have been slightly more subtle, but only slightly. Most politicians are not even in the same league with these guys when it comes to lack of integrity. And that is a hell of a mouthful.

Tim
 
"Willard" seems kind of serious to me. (Willard M Romney on his 1040.)

Poor bastard. Had a first name so bad (wasn't Willard a movie rat?) that he actually chose to go by Mitt. Still, he gets to be fabulously wealthy, so not all bad luck. I don't think he gets to be POTUS, though.

Tim
 
Tell me one single politician where that is NOT the case. It's all about getting elected. Say during the campaign what the public wants to hear, then once elected, do what ever you want. Lies, lies, and more lies. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Lies, lies and more lies !!!

I think Newt gives a new meaning to the term sleezebag. Others learned how to lie; he is is a pathological liar :)
 
I think Newt gives a new meaning to the term sleezebag. Others learned how to lie; he is is a pathological liar :)

While I'm pretty sure we are on different ends of the political spectrum, we also must read different newspapers, magazines and watch different TV stations. Our current President is a massive liar. The one before him "changed his mind" on some key issues (he lied). They all lie. Pathological? Learned !! What the heck difference does it make? This country is in the toilet and we've handed control of the flushing handle to a bunch of liars. And the ones who want to replace them are no different. :mad::mad::mad:

OK. I feel better now ;)
 
While I'm pretty sure we are on different ends of the political spectrum, we also must read different newspapers, magazines and watch different TV stations. Our current President is a massive liar. The one before him "changed his mind" on some key issues (he lied). They all lie. Pathological? Learned !! What the heck difference does it make? This country is in the toilet and we've handed control of the flushing handle to a bunch of liars. And the ones who want to replace them are no different. :mad::mad::mad:

OK. I feel better now ;)

I think the sad thing is that this is the best we can come up with? Sounds like the decline of the Roman expire.
 
some basic things

I think the sad thing is that this is the best we can come up with? Sounds like the decline of the Roman expire.

I would feel better, if one would not constantly bellybuttongaze but face some real issues: Guantanamo, Social security, wars unending??

Really!
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Did anyone hear Obama make a reference to Congress's illegal insider trading and how he'd welcome a bill and sign it to prohibit those scumbags from taking advantage of their situation?
 
Did anyone hear Obama make a reference to Congress's illegal insider trading and how he'd welcome a bill and sign it to prohibit those scumbags from taking advantage of their situation?

He doesn't need a bill; he only needs to enforce existing laws. He should start with some Dems, to avoid the political accusations. He should do it before the elections. He should announce to the American people that he has asked the Justice Department to pursue these prosecutions because, faced with a government so inappropriately and disproportionately influenced by business, particularly the financial sector, it has been nearly impossible to get effective financial market regulation sponsored, much less passed, so he is going to the next obvious tactic, agressively enforcing the regulations already in place.

But he won't do any of that because he hasn't persued effective regulation of the financial sector, because he is part of the problem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't subscribe to this notion so common at the re-election cycle, that they're all the same, that it makes no difference. I think there are fundamental differeces between the conservative and progressive points of view about the role of government in America. What I think they have increasingly in common is the influence of the private sector on how they act upon those points of view. The line between big government and big business has all but disolved; they are on in the same. In a way, the progressives are worse; they believe in a balance of influence and opportunity, but they take the money and do the favors anyway. The occupy movement and the Tea Party have the same enemy; they're just not smart or organized enough to see it. If they ever do, a couple of pretty lame protest movements will merge into a revolution. Hopefully a non-violent one. But if Wall Street and K Street are not both shaking a bit, it's just because they're too busy feasting on America to notice the rabble out back, chewing on the bones they've tossed in the trash.

Tim
 
He doesn't need a bill; he only needs to enforce existing laws. He should start with some Dems, to avoid the political accusations. He should do it before the elections. He should announce to the American people that he has asked the Justice Department to pursue these prosecutions because, faced with a government so inappropriately and disproportionately influenced by business, particularly the financial sector, it has been nearly impossible to get effective financial market regulation sponsored, much less passed, so he is going to the next obvious tactic, agressively enforcing the regulations already in place.

But he won't do any of that because he hasn't persued effective regulation of the financial sector, because he is part of the problem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't subscribe to this notion so common at the re-election cycle, that they're all the same, that it makes no difference. I think there are fundamental differeces between the conservative and progressive points of view about the role of government in America. What I think they have increasingly in common is the influence of the private sector on how they act upon those points of view. The line between big government and big business has all but disolved; they are on in the same. In a way, the progressives are worse; they believe in a balance of influence and opportunity, but they take the money and do the favors anyway. The occupy movement and the Tea Party have the same enemy; they're just not smart or organized enough to see it. If they ever do, a couple of pretty lame protest movements will merge into a revolution. Hopefully a non-violent one. But if Wall Street and K Street are not both shaking a bit, it's just because they're too busy feasting on America to notice the rabble out back, chewing on the bones they've tossed in the trash.

Tim

Yeah, but you're not that dark yet :)

Last three years of lobbying $$ has averaged 3.2 billion or so. Even considering that some of this went into advertising, think about how much that is per head in congress, hi-level staffers included. We're stuck until this changes but neither side has shown the balls to stop it. Russ Feingold won a Kennedy Profile in Courage award for running on his campaign finance reform prinicipals -- he lost his last election.

Kind of makes you wish for the good old days when an intern could drop to their knees on the Oval Office broadloom and we could dismiss it because after all "it's just about sex"

Don't understand this comment. It was anything but dismissed -- was an issue for a long time.
 
Yeah, but you're not that dark yet :)

OK, I had that one coming :).

Last three years of lobbying $$ has averaged 3.2 billion or so. Even considering that some of this went into advertising, think about how much that is per head in congress, hi-level staffers included. We're stuck until this changes but neither side has shown the balls to stop it. Russ Feingold won a Kennedy Profile in Courage award for running on his campaign finance reform prinicipals -- he lost his last election.

Sadly, I don't think it has anything with balls. Lacking the balls to take on K Street would mean that, given the balls, they might have some inclination to take on K Street. They don't. They are the beneficiaries of K Street. The only way this is going to change is if the electorate demands it, in huge bi-partisan numbers. And as Russ Feingold knows, hell, you can't even get them interested in it.

Tim

Don't understand this comment. It was anything but dismissed -- was an issue for a long time.[/QUOTE]
 
Pretty simple, to win the election, buy both sides in the election.
 
The only way this is going to change is if the electorate demands it

That's really it -- we get what we allow and deserve to an extent. It's hard to make an argument why top-down change will happen on these issues.
 
Newt is not president and I hope he never will be.
 
There are a whole lot of Republicans that don't want him either.

Let's take a poll. Which Newt do you like better?

a) Gingrich

b) the squealing kid from James Cameron's Aliens
 
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