Is there a HiFi Mafia controlling what we discuss and talk about in HiFi?

Cassettes were cheap in the Walkman era too, music was portable and enjoyed by the masses. In fact you can argue that back then more people were just listening to music than now where lots of them play computer games.

I had one of those Sony Walkmans in college. A girlfriend gave it to me and it was quite expensive. It sounded decent but was shortlived. Soon came the CD Walkman and then the iPod. Music played publicly and in dorm rooms became mobile, private, and cheap. No longer much of a shared experience where people gathered to listen together.

The stream of revenue from subscriptions is a pittance compared to physical media. As I tried to explain earlier the record companies hated downloading and streaming because it killed their generous revenue from physical media. Thus on the side of record companies there was no concerted effort to make current digital distribution happen. It was an organic outgrowth from the possibilities presented by the internet.

That depends on how you look at it. Who is getting the money? Not so much the music producers, but those who deliver the music. And someone like me does not spend money anymore, so I am not the customer. But the aging audiophiles who stream are still paying for services, and so are all the young who spotify or whatever.

As society moves away from owning things to renting things, those monthly revenue streams keep going and growing. Constant updates, upgrades, price increases, features, and obsolescence. It is the new distribution model, and in my opinion it took a concerted effort to get to where we are now, from there to here. Paying a pittance many many times over by more and more people starts adding up to real money.
to where that money flows is simply changing over time, and the real issue for musicians, and labels.

Comparing the price of a $50 newly pressed LP on nice thick vinyl to the fractions of pennies paid for a download or bit stream is the wrong way to look at it. It is about one time payments versus constant, never ending streams of money flow.

Of course, this does not address the question in the OP about the Mafia controlling our discussions. Tim has an interesting observation about the glossary of terms.
 
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as far as there being a HiFi Mafia, wherever there are forum owners, there will be elements of bias in the operation of that forum; personal and commercial. especially where there is any type of advertising. it's up to the forum participants to decide what level of mafia effect is acceptable. and wield their influence to keep it to a minimum. signal to noise if you will. the spots i hang out most have the least of this. the one's i rarely or never go are the worst, or maybe they have zero HiFi Mafia effect, but no content value to me there either. i want to be on the best forum, not the most pure. industry people can add to the value of the forum experience.....but they bring commercial agenda baggage.

OTOH any purely commercial blog without a forum is pure HiFi Mafia, and any thought differently is naive. the forum community is the value of any forum and it has power too.
 
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as far as there being a HiFi Mafia, wherever there are forum owners, there will be elements of bias in the operation of that forum; personal and commercial. especially where there is any type of advertising. it's up to the forum participants to decide what level of mafia effect is acceptable. and wield their influence to keep it to a minimum. signal to noise if you will. the spots i hang out most have the least of this. the one's i rarely or never go are the worst, or maybe they have zero HiFi Mafia effect, but no content value to me there either. i want to be on the best forum, not the most pure. industry people can add to the value of the forum experience.....but they bring commercial agenda baggage.

OTOH any purely commercial blog without a forum is pure HiFi Mafia, and any thought differently is naive. the forum community is the value of any forum and it has power too.

I agree Mike. The value to us is in the content provided for free by the members. That is why we are here, and that is why we either stay or leave.
 
I just bought a audio technique TT at best buy
Has USB, Bluetooth and both analog output through its mm phono pre and bypass.
Does this remove me from the club ?
It's a direct drive and has a s arm too
how good it compares to other 4 labels lets see. I can mount alt cartridges to.
 
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In truth I always wanted a mm cart
But needed a phono pre for one
I do own an ifi black phone pre
It's good but dare i say not up to an audiophile standard hahaha .
But I also wanted a direct drive label too. So it fills a few wants.
I also want to try to convert some vinyl to digital
This does this too.
Lets see.
Kenwood kd 600 concrete plinth
Sme
I have a 9009 sme arm mounted will try
 
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I cover several recent actions that has me wondering if there is a coordinated attempt to suppress differing opinions on hifi gear other than the "approved" online talking points.

Just my personal thoughts and opinions for entertainment only and no accusation in intended nor implied in any way (Please dCS don't threaten to sue me).


I just watched Michael's video. I think Michael raises valid questions about undisclosed financial arrangements between print reviewers and manufacturers, and between on-line forums and manufacturers, and between YouTube channels and manufacturers. I think Michael raises valid questions about whether the recipients of money or perks from manufacturers will be pressured to delete comments or to spike reviews or to censor gossip upon request by the manufacturers if such comments, reviews or gossip are perceived by the manufacturers as detrimental to sales.

I agree with Michael that full and fair disclosure would cleanse apparent conflicts of interest and actual conflicts of interest.
 
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I just bought a audio technique TT at best buy
Has USB, Bluetooth and both analog output through its mm phono pre and bypass.
Does this remove me from the club ?
It's a direct drive and has a s arm too
how good it compares to other 4 labels lets see. I can mount alt cartridges to.
That will sound better than most streams on a high end digital rig, of course the mafia will tell you it's rubbish, lol.
 
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I have 4 tables this is a cheap setup.
I don’t expect miracles but I do expect it to be real analog sound.
I love rock and mm carts rock if you get my point lol.
all are old except my sota table but it uses an old eminent tech linear arm.
 
I just watched Michael's video. I think Michael raises valid questions about undisclosed financial arrangements between print reviewers and manufacturers, and between on-line forums and manufacturers, and between YouTube channels and manufacturers. I think Michael raises valid questions about whether the recipients of money or perks from manufacturers will be pressured to delete comments or to spike reviews or to censor gossip upon request by the manufacturers if such comments, reviews or gossip are perceived by the manufacturers as detrimental to sales.

I agree with Michael that full and fair disclosure would cleanse apparent conflicts of interest and actual conflicts of interest.
One YouTube person who discloses what, if any, compensation he received is New Record Day. He is always very up front about that kind of thing. He also seems to be brutally honest and tells the bad with the good. I recall one review he did of a pair of headphones where he threw them in the trash at the end of the video. Interestingly, some time later the manufacturer of that headphone put out a rev 2.0 and sent it to him for review. He loved what they did with the new version.
 
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As society moves away from owning things to renting things, those monthly revenue streams keep going and growing. Constant updates, upgrades, price increases, features, and obsolescence. It is the new distribution model, and in my opinion it took a concerted effort to get to where we are now, from there to here. Paying a pittance many many times over by more and more people starts adding up to real money.
to where that money flows is simply changing over time, and the real issue for musicians, and labels.

Comparing the price of a $50 newly pressed LP on nice thick vinyl to the fractions of pennies paid for a download or bit stream is the wrong way to look at it. It is about one time payments versus constant, never ending streams of money flow.

You almost have a point here.

Yet while revenue has recovered somewhat, the revenue graph for record companies still does not look good:


As you can see from the graph, revenue still hasn't recovered to the high point of analog physical media from 1979 and is far below the high point from 2000 of CD-dominated mostly digital physical media. And furthermore, there was a brutal dip in the 2010s that record companies most certainly did not want to happen.

As I said before, if it had been up to the record companies they would have wanted to keep the large profit from physical media and they would not have agreed to the switch to streaming. They hated downloads and streaming, and back in the day, just to make a threatening statement, even sued individual users of Napster, including one college student for $675,000 (!). In that case they won (!):


So again, there was no "concerted effort" by the record companies to get where we are -- at best a concerted effort to make the most out of the fate that they were dealt with by the organic events resulting from the rise of the internet.

Similarly, the advent of digital was not based on a concerted effort to switch formats. Yes, digital media eventually were a concerted effort with the development of the CD by large record companies, but not digital recording itself. It was recording engineers who wanted a better medium, free of tape degradation and tape noise. The result of their initial efforts may be debatable, but that is what they strived for. The medium carrying the new technology did not change at first -- it was still vinyl LPs.

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History is history, and there should not be efforts to rewrite it according to our biases and preconceptions.
 
You almost have a point here.

That’s pretty funny.

As I said before, if it had been up to the record companies they would have wanted to keep the large profit from physical media and they would not have agreed to the switch to streaming. They hated downloads and streaming, and back in the day, just to make a threatening statement, even sued individual users of Napster, including one college student for $675,000 (!). In that case they won (!):


So again, there was no "concerted effort" by the record companies to get where we are -- at best a concerted effort to make the most out of the fate that they were dealt with by the organic events resulting from the rise of the internet.

Similarly, the advent of digital was not based on a concerted effort to switch formats. Yes, digital media eventually were a concerted effort with the development of the CD by large record companies, but not digital recording itself. It was recording engineers who wanted a better medium, free of tape degradation and tape noise. The result of their initial efforts may be debatable, but that is what they strived for. The medium carrying the new technology did not change at first -- it was still vinyl LPs.

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History is history, and there should not be efforts to rewrite it according to our biases and preconceptions.

You keep focusing on the labels. I never said it was a concerted effort by the record companies. The question that someone asked was whether or not there was a concerted effort to get rid of analog. The discussion has not explored who’s behind the concerted effort. The forces are greater than the record companies.

As far as I’m concerned, the data and revenue streams do not really support the counter argument. All we have to do is look around and see with our own eyes and actions that things have changed. The issue is that we’ve become a digital world. That took coordination and concerted effort. Developers and providers worked on the technology and consumers adapted and chose it. Here we are.
 
The question that someone asked was whether or not there was a concerted effort to get rid of analog.

It was you who used the term "concerted effort" (#13).

The original claim was:
There is a global conspiracy to bad mouth and ultimately do away with analog.

I still don't see the "global conspiracy". A conspiracy by whom?
 
It was you who used the term "concerted effort" (#13).

The original claim was:


I still don't see the "global conspiracy". A conspiracy by whom?

Yes, I was asked by wil if I believed rexp’s comment. I do believe there was a concerted effort to move from analog to digital for music production, distribution, and consumption. It’s just too big a shift to not have been coordinated by those with big interests. I don’t know if I would refer to it as a global conspiracy and I don’t know specifically who got together and coordinated their efforts, but there was a lot of research and development and marketing, and we still don’t have perfect sound forever. There is no denying the result which was a major shift.
 
The massive and well-understood (we can again ask my father, Michael Resnick, as he experienced it directly while working in business affairs at Atlantic Records) shift of the record business from selling LPs and then CDs to streaming is very different from the wacky suggestion that there is today a "global conspiracy to bad mouth and ultimately do away with analog."
 
The massive and well-understood (we can again ask my father, Michael Resnick, as he experienced it directly while working in business affairs at Atlantic Records) shift of the record business from selling LPs and then CDs to streaming is very different from the wacky suggestion that there is today a "global conspiracy to bad mouth and ultimately do away with analog."
There is a torrent of anti-vinyl articles being published, you even started a thread on one, didn't you?

 
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There is a torrent of anti-vinyl articles being published, you even started a thread on one, didn't you?


No doubt there is bad mouthing analog/vinyl, but I see it mostly on forums and in articles like the one Ron posted in that thread he started. Not sure about a global conspiracy to rid the world of it though. Much of the forum stuff is just typical preference and debate and vitriol.
 
There is a torrent of anti-vinyl articles being published, you even started a thread on one, didn't you?


Boy, you are sensitive. There are also many anti-digital articles published, for example:




Not to speak of all the anti-digital voices on forums.

Is all that part of a global conspiracy to bad mouth and ultimately do away with digital? C'mon, get real. It's just an opinion. Just like the other way around.
 

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