Can one of the mods please shoot this thread that I started and put it out of its misery? This thread has long since veered off its original course and now has turned into Tim and John exchanging barbs. John should have learned by now not to try and argue with Tim because it's pointless.
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I'm not defensive, John, I'm just not playing this game with you anymore. When you come up with something to support the audibility of your distortions, I'll read it.
Tim
Right up to the moment that you show me the evidence, yes.
You could obtain a paper for yourself - by Jensen and Sokolich. Here http://www.jensen-transformers.com/faqs.html under the heading "How can transformers improve my signal quality?" it says you can get it either from the AES or from Jensen Transformers.
I have a copy of the paper but have not kept up with the argument. If there is a section of interest, I can post it here. Unfortunately since this is an old paper, what is online is a photocopy of sorts which makes cutting and pasting difficult. I may have to retype stuff manually so don't ask for too much
.Tom,
If you are quoting me in that 120dB figure, I didn't mean that the ultrasonics were 120dB DOWN - I meant ultrasonics at full volume will not be audible. I was giving Tim an example to show that his statement was incorrect "You're speculating, rather wildly I might add, about the possibility that linear noise, inaudible when no music is playing, can somehow attach itself to the signal and become audible, non-linear distortion when music is playing. I've never seen any evidence of this."
If you are quoting me in that 120dB figure, I didn't mean that the ultrasonics were 120dB DOWN - I meant ultrasonics at full volume will not be audible. I was giving Tim an example to show that his statement was incorrect "You're speculating, rather wildly I might add, about the possibility that linear noise, inaudible when no music is playing, can somehow attach itself to the signal and become audible, non-linear distortion when music is playing. I've never seen any evidence of this."
Yes, agreed & -120dB would certainly be out of audibility but I wondered why you quoted this figure?
Thanks, my interest was not in the existence of distortions but in the audibility of the specific distortions John was referring to.
Tim
But Tim,
You started by denying that there were such distortions, I believe, & I was wildly speculating.
So now that you accept that there are such distortions, what particular ones are you talking about - I'm not sure as I mentioned a couple of different types. And what decibel level do you consider are realistically appropriate for the distortions? If you are able to specify these two pieces of information & what they are realistically based on (not just figures plucked out of the air) then we could begin to discuss what might be audible & what might not be!
Of course the decision to pick a lawyer is complex. Some lawyers such as PI plaintiffs are judged almost exclusively on noentary awards. Some law firms require huge resouces and many lawyers. As much as I might be temtped by the fee, I don't think I would be the right lawyer for Microsoft merger or anittrust suit. OTOH I could have easily kept Martha Stewart out of jail.
Choosing th right speaker is heavily dependent on music type and room
You're going to have to refresh my memory, John, what distortions have I denied the existence of?
Tim
Yeah...I think this is another case of extremely liberal interpretations of what someone else, me, said. I don't think there are any known distortions I don't believe in, John. There are, however, a number of them that I think are mostly eradicated in competently-designed contemporary equipment that, in spite of being reduced to the threshold of inaudibility in very modest gear, are suffered over greatly, even in the most expensive equipment, by some Audiophiles.
A good thing, I suppose. Something needs to keep the high end up there.
Tim
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