If you say so, Tim, I really, honestly don't remember what was being discussed & have no motivation to read back over an old thread to pick up the point of debate again! But I'm sure you'll have ample opportunity to post along similar lines in the other active thread we are both participating in.
It’s All a Preference
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---Does Preference to be truly valid need a point of Reference (with accurate measurements)? :b
Nope. You can prefer a Bose Wave Radio to Steve's system. It requires no reference, no evidence, no support. Choose it. In the choosing it becomes a valid choice.
Tim
---What a drag! ...Don't seem to be fair! 
Soooo, Preference is based solely on personal taste without any validation whatsoever on what is the closest to the most accurate truth in audio reproduction?
Soooo, Preference is based solely on personal taste without any validation whatsoever on what is the closest to the most accurate truth in audio reproduction?
In my case & most of those I know, preference is based on an audio reproduction that is closer to the sound of real instruments. Those who play an instrument, especially un-amplified, and have developed a sensitivity to the subtle differences between types/models of that instrument, usually use this as their reference point for their "preference". So, in my experience, most people that I know, have a reference (no measurements needed)!
---My own Preference is based on all my years of experience in developing an acute rendition of the music's emotional impact deep into my soul.
And my point of reference is FREEDOM. ...With a lot of IMAGINATION. :b
And my point of reference is FREEDOM. ...With a lot of IMAGINATION. :b
---What a drag! ...Don't seem to be fair!
Soooo, Preference is based solely on personal taste without any validation whatsoever on what is the closest to the most accurate truth in audio reproduction?
Shhh...don't tell Sean Olive. His test says "accuracy" is preferred by his test group.
It is. Accuracy didn't validate the listeners' preferences. The listeners' preferences validated the appeal of accuracy.
Tim
---I think that Tim was simply referring to Sean Olive's tests with his groups of listeners.
...And not reciting his own personal opinion; right Tim?
...And not reciting his own personal opinion; right Tim?
I didn't bury it, Greg, I answered it. Preference is preference. What Sean's study showed is that a very high percentage of people prefer accurate reproduction. That does nothing to invalidate the preferences of those who like inaccurate reproduction. You like what you like. There's no arguing with it. Someday you guys may find that magic unmeasurable you're always talking about and it may prove that what I've preferred all these years was edgy and dull; all at once. I still will have preferred it.
Tim
Tim Stop arguing and read.
Sean's study purports to show a corrrealtion between acuuracy and preference. (He concedes the sample is to small to apply to the general public). Niow read the other quote:
See the difference. In Seans persoanl preference verified by measured accuracy. In quote "without any vailidation whatsoever."
Sean's study purports to show a corrrealtion between acuuracy and preference. (He concedes the sample is to small to apply to the general public). Niow read the other quote:
[Empahsis supplied]
See the difference. In Seans persoanl preference verified by measured accuracy. In quote "without any vailidation whatsoever."
Hello Gregadd
You sure about that?? He just did the study with college kids and the conclussion was they liked more accurate sound.
It's not just him but Toole as well and they have been doing these tests over a good number of years. I can see one test not being enough but repeated tests having the same conclusion does carry a bit more weight.
http://seanolive.blogspot.com/
Rob
I agree Greg & have stated already that in my experience a lot of audiophiles choose a reproduction because it is more accurate to the sound of the instruments that they are familiar with. People who play an instrument often use this as their criteria, the rest of us tend to use a variety of different references, female singer's, piano, cymbals, Double bass, etc.
So yes, accuracy is the reference - it ain't "just" preference!!
Hello Gregadd
You sure about that?? He just did the study with college kids and the conclussion was they liked more accurate sound.
It's not just him but Toole as well and they have been doing these tests over a good number of years. I can see one test not being enough but repeated tests having the same conclusion does carry a bit more weight.
http://seanolive.blogspot.com/
Rob
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Form the link you provided.
I 've posted this before: In order for such a small sample to apply, every member of the population must have an equal chance of being selected. Not everyone goes to college. We can stop there.
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If it doesn't sound like real music, what's the point? I'll just buy myself a new carbon fiber bicycle and enjoy the weather.
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Yes, but watch the demands starting for proof that "your definition" of "real music" is the same as the next man's
i.e it's all just preference!it's amazing how some seem to think our senses are so "unreliable" - I wonder how, in their opinion, we have survived as a species? Survival demands reliable senses are necessary to deal with the real world.
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