KeithR's "Dream Speaker" Search

[bonzo75]

Me and Barry have heard the upper echelon BD in another iteration at Bill's, and it certainly didn't need any special circumstances like specialist LPs to make it shine.

That's not single driver it has woofers below

 

[Addicted to hifi]

Me and Barry have heard the upper echelon BD in another iteration at Bill's, and it certainly didn't need any special circumstances like specialist LPs to make it shine.

Thats when you know you have a very good system.

 

[morricab]

Yes I already covered that. I was just separating his wooden box into woody and box

There is always a color depends how overwhelming it is.

In the same room I heard a 20k and a 65k lansche. On the first track it was more impressive, more heft. Then all concerts were staging the same. with Devore's each one was changing. It was like a different stage, different venue each time. Much preferred the Devore Is there wood? Sure. Have I heard better? Yes. Do I seek it? Only if OCD takes over.

Art Dudley had this on audition for 18 months and bought it. He said Bonham sounded the best on it

My own speakers effortlessly show different stage depending on the recording so why would I want a woody coloration to come along with it? I only want woody when listening to recordings of acoustic instruments that are recorded in a way that allows an instrument’s natural tone color to come through. Overt coloration is a flaw I would not accept.

 

[morricab]

Yes but your preference once was Raidho. Which is grey color. As is Magico, for example.

Btw, I am not advocating devore because it's pleasant. But because it is transparent to recordings. That is a completely different attribute which Magico, Wilson etc don't have.

Yes, another unacceptable coloration.

 

[bonzo75]

My own speakers effortlessly show different stage depending on the recording so why would I want a woody coloration to come along with it? I only want woody when listening to recordings of acoustic instruments that are recorded in a way that allows an instrument’s natural tone color to come through. Overt coloration is a flaw I would not accept.

Is great that you have the most transparent colorless extended speaker

 

[spiritofmusic]

You gotta love modern day audiophile "fights".
In the past, your hifi lover would be proud he had MORE.
MORE bass.
MORE loudness.
MORE detail.
Now? It's LESS.
LESS coloration.
LESS boxiness.
LESS saminess.

 

[bonzo75]

You gotta love modern day audiophile "fights".
In the past, your hifi lover would be proud he had MORE.
MORE bass.
MORE loudness.
MORE detail.
Now? It's LESS.
LESS coloration.
LESS boxiness.
LESS saminess.

More of the MORe ones above to a balanced extent and less of the LESS ones to a balanced extent.

 

[the sound of Tao]

More of the MORe ones above to a balanced extent and less of the LESS ones to a balanced extent.

Lol

 

[bonzo75]

Logically, that should be more of the less ones too? More Less color, for example? Not Less less color.

 

[tima]

Logically, that should be more of the less ones too? More Less color, for example? Not Less less color.

Try: More with less color.
Prepositions are your friend.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Audiophiles need all the friends they can get.

 

[bonzo75]

Audiophiles need all the friends they can get.

Yeah so you can always have someone new to argue with

 

[jeff1225]

Yes, another unacceptable coloration.

Brad,
Every speaker has some distortion/coloration, the very nature of its construction determines that. One just needs to pick the type of color they prefer.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Yeah so you can always have someone new to argue with

Tough love.

 

[PeterA]

Brad,
Every speaker has some distortion/coloration, the very nature of its construction determines that. One just needs to pick the type of color they prefer.

I used to have slightly yellow tinted sunglasses which were good while skiing, but not so good out on the water. My new prescription sunglasses have a very slight grey tint to the lenses which cuts down on glare tremendously and greatly improves my ability "to see clearly now".

 

[KeithR]

My own speakers effortlessly show different stage depending on the recording so why would I want a woody coloration to come along with it? I only want woody when listening to recordings of acoustic instruments that are recorded in a way that allows an instrument’s natural tone color to come through. Overt coloration is a flaw I would not accept.

horns have colorations too. and you wholeheartedly accept SET amp "overt coloration"

I think Phil summed it up well - there are several camps out there. one is flat frequency response above all else, others try to balance coherency, dynamics, and efficiency into the equation and give up the flat line. horses for courses.

 

[morricab]

Brad,
Every speaker has some distortion/coloration, the very nature of its construction determines that. One just needs to pick the type of color they prefer.

You are correct but amount Is also very important...small colorations won’t damage transparency or alter tonal character appreciably...

 

[jeff1225]

You are correct but amount Is also very important...small colorations won’t damage transparency or alter tonal character appreciably...

Many people hate SET amps because of the second harmonic distortion that hear. I, like you, love the distortion that SET provides. @KeithR hates it.

One man's distortion is another man's tone.

 

[morricab]

horns have colorations too. and you wholeheartedly accept SET amp "overt coloration"

I think Phil summed it up well - there are several camps out there. one is flat frequency response above all else, others try to balance coherency, dynamics, and efficiency into the equation and give up the flat line. horses for courses.

Never said they didn’t Keith, never said they didn’t. It took me a long time in fact to find a pair that were low enough in coloration to get me away from my ribbons and electrostats, of which I have had many. I had loved the horns for the dynamics and expression but also didn’t like the coloration. Now, I have found some horns that solve the riddle.

 

[morricab]

Many people hate SET amps because of the second harmonic distortion that hear. I, like you, love the distortion that SET provides. @KeithR hates it.

One man's distortion is another man's tone.

2nd order below a couple % has been shown to be inaudible. I think what people who don’t like SETs they have heard are reacting to are the ones with inadequate iron in the output transformer that leads to significant distortion also through the midrange. You can hear this also with a number of PP tube amps as well. You don’t hear it with OTLs or SET where the transformers are not saturated.