Lamm ML3 + LL1, at last!

[christoph]

Ha! ML3 Signatures. Fantastico. I have SRA VA-class under my M1.2 Refs so I know their benefits. The LP1 phono is here for review. Now add in the LL1.1 Signature linestage.

And what speakers to use with ML3s?

How about the upcoming Audio Kinesis Bohemian 215?

The AudioKinesis Bohemian 215 design notes (more teaser content)

The development of our new "statement" speaker system is now far enough along that we are releasing 3D renderings. For scale, those are 15" woofers and a 22" diameter horn: The Bohemian 215 will come in two different versions: A 100 dB/1 watt efficient, specialty-tube-amp-friendly version...

www.whatsbestforum.com

That combo could make a match made in heaven

What do you use to drive your hORNS Universum?

I use my KR Audio Kronzilla SX and love it

Besides, the Lamm ML3 are unfortunately way out of reach for me financially
Even though the reduced price from Francisco looks VERY attractive, especially when you consider the list price of 150k

 

[tima]

How about the upcoming Audio Kinesis Bohemian 215?
... That combo could make a match made in heaven

You should ask @Duke LeJeune to buy micro's and let us know.

 

[the sound of Tao]

You guys play in another league . Francisco's ML3s look marvellous. Would be lovely but perhaps beyond these simple mortal means.

 

[tima]

You guys play in another league

Talk - it's cheap.

 

[the sound of Tao]

Talk - it's cheap.

Lol, both my simplicity and my mortality are unfortunately all too evident Tim. But also happy to have what I have.

 

[microstrip]

Canna imagine why these are not sold. That is roughly 38% the cost of a new set of ML3s (~121672 euro). Iirc, voltage conversion is done by changing internal fuses - no factory trip required. 32W into 16/8/4 Ohms. Class A.

No, in Europe the price of new set of ML3 is euro 144690 - unfortunately I had to pay import tax and VAT on the price nice price I paid to Mike. See https://www.emotionalaudio.nl/produ...erby_as=string&wpv_view_count=14779-TCPID4968

Voltage line conversion needs going to the factory and costs usd 400.00, including a check-in. They are now 230V units.

 

[bonzo75]

Canna imagine why these are not sold. That is roughly 38% the cost of a new set of ML3s (~121672 euro). Iirc, voltage conversion is done by changing internal fuses - no factory trip required. 32W into 16/8/4 Ohms. Class A.

EU is full of SETs, many available, much cheaper. When people here want to spend they can get them made from designers like Thomas mayer etc.

 

[ddk]

EU is full of SETs, many available, much cheaper. When people here want to spend they can get them made from designers like Thomas mayer etc.

Yes, there are many cheaper SET amps available here too but they're not at the level of ML3 even the more expensive custom ones. I can't say why Francisco's pair hasn't sold but it's not because of performance.

david

 

[howiebrou]

Yes, there are many cheaper SET amps available here too but they're not at the level of ML3 even the more expensive custom ones. I can't say why Francisco's pair hasn't sold but it's not because of performance.

david

Would love to hear them with my Goebels.

 

[ddk]

Would love to hear them with my Goebels.

Should be quite match if the Goebels are truly as sensitive as advertised!

david

 

[KeithR]

EU is full of SETs, many available, much cheaper. When people here want to spend they can get them made from designers like Thomas mayer etc.

Lamm has poor resale even in the states.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Lamm has poor resale even in the states.

Thats the US fault , everybody in the world follows mostly blindly what most US reviewers / marketeers write as the latest greatest thing that has landed on planet earth
Magazines hate it when a company just makes 1 good product and sticks with that for 10 years.
They cant live/ survive of that

 

[steve williams]

Lamm has poor resale even in the states.

You rarely ever see them for sale . I bought my Lamm Signature series well over 10 years ago and I will never sell them. They’ll be buried with me

 

[ddk]

You rarely ever see them for sake. I bought my Lamm Signature series well over 10 years ago and I will never sell them. They’ll be buried with me

This is the only used pair of ML3 that I've ever seen come up for sale!

david

 

[howiebrou]

Magazines hate it when a company just makes 1 good product and sticks with that for 10 years.
They cant live/ survive of that

That's why they loooooooove Wilson and Magico!

 

[microstrip]

Yes, there are many cheaper SET amps available here too but they're not at the level of ML3 even the more expensive custom ones. I can't say why Francisco's pair hasn't sold but it's not because of performance.

david

No doubt they are great sounding amplifiers - the main drawback is finding great speakers that are a great match with them. If I ask for speakers that sound great with the VTL Siegfried II everyone suggests a few preferred that can be easily listened and are well known and we have an enthusiastic thread . A similar question on the ML3's ends fast without solid recommendations.

 

[microstrip]

(...) They’ll be buried with me

I still have hope that I will be able to sell mine some day...

 

[ddk]

No doubt they are great sounding amplifiers - the main drawback is finding great speakers that are a great match with them. If I ask for speakers that sound great with the VTL Siegfried II everyone suggests a few preferred that can be easily listened and are well known and we have an enthusiastic thread . A similar question on the ML3's ends fast without solid recommendations.

Yes, hardly any current production speakers qualify, the best modern current production speakers that match the ML3 well are Kharmas. The Midi Grand Exquisite is the ideal partner for ML3 otherwise it's vintage speakers and there are great ones to choose from.

david

 

[Lagonda]

I still have hope that I will be able to sell mine some day...

At least you made a bundle selling your hybrid Lamm amps

 

[microstrip]

Yes, hardly any current production speakers qualify, the best modern current production speakers that match the ML3 well are Kharmas. The Midi Grand Exquisite is the ideal partner for ML3 otherwise it's vintage speakers and there are great ones to choose from.

david

David,

Unfortunately it is impossible to persuade people of it after looking at their published specs:
(taken from the Karma site)

• System
• 3.5-way
• RMS power
• 500 Watt
• Program power
• 1000 Watt
• Frequency range
• 24 Hz - 90 kHz
• Nominal impedance
• 4 Ohm
• Efficiency 2.83V/1m
• 91 dB
• Maximum SPL
• 118 dB