Large scale that really showcase acoustic soundstaging, depth, and space

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I said ‘large scale’ to include possibilities other than symphonic classical. But I’m looking for (primarily acoustic) records that do a really great job at producing wide and deep soundstaging plus great image placement. I’m testing two phono stages and one criticism I’ve read for one of them is a claim that it may not do large scale soundstaging very well. Need good material for comparative purposes.
 
I said ‘large scale’ to include possibilities other than symphonic classical. But I’m looking for (primarily acoustic) records that do a really great job at producing wide and deep soundstaging plus great image placement. I’m testing two phono stages and one criticism I’ve read for one of them is a claim that it may not do large scale soundstaging very well. Need good material for comparative purposes.

The pass phono stage in your signature is quite poor for this. We test the top of the line phono (XP 22? don't recall model number) with many carts, and it has a very limited dynamic range that suits audiohile and pop music, no real swing, and no realism or differentiation of recordings, and boring in general. The owner replaced it with Thomas Mayer partial silver, Lampi's basic model, and Thrax. He has many carts and tables and Thrax sounds the best in his system.

 
I love large scale classical.
Take a look at this thread for some ideas:


Here's a couple of mine from it:




What are the phono stages you are testing?
Thanks Tim. Which Copland and which Shost 8th recordings are these? I’ve been looking at finding a phono stage with two inputs, and a friend coincidentally has a Gold Note PH-10 with its separate power supply, so he let me borrow it. I’m listening to it and my XP-17.
 
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He has many carts and tables and Thrax sounds the best in his system.
I guess compared to a $20K phono pre, any phono pre around $4500 could sound dull.
 
I guess compared to a $20K phono pre, any phono pre around $4500 could sound dull.
I said top pass model. I got the XP 22 wrong, it was the Xs which is now 45k, you missed a zero.

Check out Ear 834p phono rolled with telefunken valves, used price 1 to 2k plus get a SUT for your cart
 
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Thanks, but I’ve had tube phono stages in the past, and liked them, but I’d prefer to stay with SS. And it must have two inputs.
 
Balanced + rca input phantastic sounding phono direct coupled no caps.
You must hear a celio+ shinai amp sorry only with volta dac vids online. For me at this time the best solidstate sound.
 
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I've been impressed with the Grandinote stuff I've heard, but it looks like this is single input only.
 
as far as scale, depth and space, 45 rpm will optimize all of those as a tool to use.

there are many good ones, but if you also want lots of dynamics and precision in the soundstage one i like is....the Classic Records 45 rpm 4 disc. disc #4 has the "The Great of Kiev". lots of fireworks in the background, swelling of energy, and little tells here and there. and you can grab 1 minute, 5 minutes or the whole side.

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as far as scale, depth and space, 45 rpm will optimize all of those as a tool to use.

there are many good ones, but if you also want lots of dynamics and precision in the soundstage one i like is....the Classic Records 45 rpm 4 disc. disc #4 has the "The Great of Kiev". lots of fireworks in the background, swelling of energy, and little tells here and there. and you can grab 1 minute, 5 minutes or the whole side.

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Thanks, but I’ve had tube phono stages in the past, and liked them, but I’d prefer to stay with SS. And it must have two inputs.

Burmester 100 is good used price and is one of the lowest noise phonos.
 
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as far as scale, depth and space, 45 rpm will optimize all of those as a tool to use.

there are many good ones, but if you also want lots of dynamics and precision in the soundstage one i like is....the Classic Records 45 rpm 4 disc. disc #4 has the "The Great of Kiev". lots of fireworks in the background, swelling of energy, and little tells here and there. and you can grab 1 minute, 5 minutes or the whole side.

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Thanks Mike. Unfortunately, I have only the 33 RPM single disc version of this.
 
I love large scale classical.
Take a look at this thread for some ideas:


Here's a couple of mine from it:




What are the phono stages you are testing?
Just curious if you think that you might need more treatment in that room?
 
Thanks Tim. Which Copland and which Shost 8th recordings are these? I’ve been looking at finding a phono stage with two inputs, and a friend coincidentally has a Gold Note PH-10 with its separate power supply, so he let me borrow it. I’m listening to it and my XP-17.

Fanfare for the Common Man, Louis Lane, Atlanta Symphony, Telarc, DG-10078

Shostakovich Sym. 8, Movement 3 (Allegro non troppo)Haitink with Concertgebouw Orchestra, London Digital LDR 71121 also Decca SXDL 7621

I read you are not interested in tube phono stages -- that's okay. Once upon a time I had the Pass XONO. Here, both videos made using Lamm LP1 phono. I also like the Lamm LP2.1 and the Audio Research Ref 10 Phono.
 
How about the Reference Recordings Saint-Saens Organ Symphony done by the Kansas City Symphony?
 

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