Let's Get A Consensus Of The Best DAC's In The Market Today

There are a few things that should be generally accepted about DACs at this time:

2. There can be the lowest correlation between DAC price and actual DAC performance in total musical enjoyment. For example, the difference between a really good $2,000 pair of speakers and a really good pair of $60,000 pair of speakers will be MUCH bigger in terms of sound quality improvement than a similar DAC counterpart comparison. DACs just don't have as much variability in price/performance as some other parts of the system.

That is debatable, and it depends on what you are looking for. If you look for overall performance perhaps you have a point, even though I am afraid that a $ 60,000 speaker, with proper amplification, may lay bare weaknesses of a $ 2,000 DAC to the point of nuisance. But if you look for specific areas of performance such as timbral resolution, for example on the micro-vibrations of a violin, then a $ 60,000 DAC on $ 2,000 speakers may give you a better return than a $ 2,000 DAC on $ 60,000 speakers.

I have once heard $ 2,000 speakers driven from a $ 60,000 vinyl rig, and the resolution was amazing, even though of course the weaknesses of the speakers in other areas remained present (it was set up that way because the owner's main speakers were in repair and he played with his spares). Like some others, I am a strong believer in source. I know that at this point I would probably make the most gains in timbral resilution by going from my $ 5,000 DAC to a $ 20,000 DAC, for example, without changing my amps and speakers which compared to many super-rigs are of modest monetary value. And my $ 5,000 DAC is much better in this area than some $ 2,000 DACs that I have auditioned in my system.

Yes, amps and speakers are important, but so is the source. And a $ 2,000 DAC usually does not work miracles.
 
I certainly have not heard all of the DAC's on the market, but the one I heard yesterday would certainly be on my short list....and probably at the very top. The DAC is the new MSB Diamond Select. Only thing is, don't ask about the price, LOL.
 
Well I´m a complete neophyte regarding practical DAC experience and listening, but what I lack in empirical knowledge I try to make up for in reading, reading and more reading. After all that reading :) and the overwhelming positive reviews, my money would be on the Lampizator Golden Gate. Why? Dallasjustice said it very well: "DAC technology is constantly changing" and so fast I might add that if you blink you might miss some of the changes, a Lampizator DAC is basically futureproof, it can evolve with the times if you so wish and you´re always assured to be able to have the latest and greatest, that to the audiophile is a true blessing.

Year 2008, Lukasz Fikus aka Lampizator was raving about the Lampucera DAC a $100 wonder http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/LAMPUCERA/CD DAC Lampucera lampizator.html

today we live in the era of $40,000 Trinity´s , $82,000 Aries Cerat Kassandras and $120,000 Light Harmonic Sire DAC´s, I wouldn´t be too comfortable spending those amounts of money on a DAC without being given the assurance of future upgradeability, and with DACs the future is tomorrow or the day after at the latest.
 
Well I´m a complete neophyte regarding practical DAC experience and listening, but what I lack in empirical knowledge I try to make up for in reading, reading and more reading. After all that reading :) and the overwhelming positive reviews, my money would be on the Lampizator Golden Gate. Why? Dallasjustice said it very well: "DAC technology is constantly changing" and so fast I might add that if you blink you might miss some of the changes, a Lampizator DAC is basically futureproof, it can evolve with the times if you so wish and you´re always assured to be able to have the latest and greatest, that to the audiophile is a true blessing.

Year 2008, Lukasz Fikus aka Lampizator was raving about the Lampucera DAC a $100 wonder http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/LAMPUCERA/CD DAC Lampucera lampizator.html

today we live in the era of $40,000 Trinity´s , $82,000 Aries Cerat Kassandras and $120,000 Light Harmonic Sire DAC´s, I wouldn´t be too comfortable spending those amounts of money on a DAC without being given the assurance of future upgradeability, and with DACs the future is tomorrow or the day after at the latest.

Welcome and I am with you ... DAC get obsolete in a hurry .. For an edification one should listen with the least amount of prejudice to the iFi micro iDSD at $499. It will give fits to numerous DAC costing 20 times more

As for a 60,000 DAC or whatever on a $2,000 speaker in the same room with the same ancillary equipment ( assuming said ancillary equipment is compatible with said speakers) ... as compared to a 2,000 DAC on a 60,000 speakers ... Come On!!!!
 
(...) .. For an edification one should listen with the least amount of prejudice to the iFi micro iDSD at $499. It will give fits to numerous DAC costing 20 times more
(...)

Frantz,

I am waiting since long to be given the details of this famous system where a well matched $9980 DAC is being given fits by a $499 DAC ... ;)
 
MSB DACs are as future-proof as they can be. You can upgrade the DAC modules themselves, as well as all the input/output ports. So if somebody decides that USB 3.0 is the future, you won't need to sell your entire box to get one that supports USB 3.0. Just buy the new module (existing modules cost around $2000) and use in one of the available ports.

And even if a box upgrade is necessary, MSB has company policy, with upgrade/trade-in pricing that's actually quite fair and reasonable.
 
As for a 60,000 DAC or whatever on a $2,000 speaker in the same room with the same ancillary equipment ( assuming said ancillary equipment is compatible with said speakers) ... as compared to a 2,000 DAC on a 60,000 speakers ... Come On!!!!

If you read my post on this carefully, it comes with the appropriate caveats ;)
 
Frantz,

I am waiting since long to be given the details of this famous system where a well matched $9980 DAC is being given fits by a $499 DAC ... ;)

That day has come! As long as your not afraid of a little DIY work.
 
Given MSB's price/performance ratio, that's the least they should do. Just because a manufacturer is constantly updating their DAC design doesn't mean it's future proof. There are many DACs which measure as well or better for a fraction of the price. Many folks prefer other DACs. Also, R2R ladder DACs aren't the future. They are the past.

MSB DACs are as future-proof as they can be. You can upgrade the DAC modules themselves, as well as all the input/output ports. So if somebody decides that USB 3.0 is the future, you won't need to sell your entire box to get one that supports USB 3.0. Just buy the new module (existing modules cost around $2000) and use in one of the available ports.

And even if a box upgrade is necessary, MSB has company policy, with upgrade/trade-in pricing that's actually quite fair and reasonable.
 
Why the attitude? What have I done to you?

I was just pointing out a feature of the MSB DACs and the company policy, since the vast majority of the market won't offer the options that MSB does. Why do you feel the need to put down their product is beyond me...

Matter of fact, I'd love to know other companies that provide such clean, modular upgrade paths, as we'd seriously consider them for our store/distribution business.
 
Why the attitude? What have I done to you?

I was just pointing out a feature of the MSB DACs and the company policy, since the vast majority of the market won't offer the options that MSB does. Why do you feel the need to put down their product is beyond me...

Matter of fact, I'd love to know other companies that provide such clean, modular upgrade paths, as we'd seriously consider them for our store/distribution business.


Personally I wouldn't touch a DAC with a 10 ft pole that didn't have a clear upgrade path for every section of the DAC. MSB makes a very good example of how every DAC should be built.
 
Frantz,

I am waiting since long to be given the details of this famous system where a well matched $9980 DAC is being given fits by a $499 DAC ... ;)

microstrip

I made huge mistake and I sincerely apologize. The DAC I am referring to seem to have increased tremedously in price. I got it from Brian Walsh here at the WBF ... , then the price was $499 plus shipping or so (IIRC) now on Amazon CLICK HERE it is $698 ... Get it and you tell us .. :)
 
microstrip

I made huge mistake and I sincerely apologize. The DAC I am referring to seem to have increased tremedously in price. I got it from Brian Walsh here at the WBF ... , then the price was $499 plus shipping or so (IIRC) now on Amazon CLICK HERE it is $698 ... Get it and you tell us .. :)

Frantz,

I am sure you have a nice sounding Latin expression for it, but I dislike when people manipulate arguments to avoid straight answers. I just asked you for factual data about the systems now costing more than $ 698 x 20 , not about the $499 now costing $698 DAC - I am assuming that Brian Walsh did not tell you the IFI gives a fit to the AMR's and Bricati's he stocks... :)
 
microstrip

I made huge mistake and I sincerely apologize. The DAC I am referring to seem to have increased tremedously in price. I got it from Brian Walsh here at the WBF ... , then the price was $499 plus shipping or so (IIRC) now on Amazon CLICK HERE it is $698 ... Get it and you tell us .. :)

I have it...one of the first to own it and even my old level 3 Lampizator beat it. Better on DSD than PCM, but I hear the iDac2 will be even better than the iDSD...plus the combo with the iUSB Power2 will make both much better as well.
 
Asiufy I see you also carry Auralic, how does the Vega stand up to the MSB?

It doesn't. Different ball game.
The Auralic is very impressive, very detailed (more so than other DACs in its price range), but it's not as organic and natural as the MSB Analog DAC. Dynamics is one thing the MSB does well, as it's able to render the decay of the notes and instruments more realistically than just about anything else I've heard.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great product, and very popular for a reason! Now with the recent firmware upgrade, that allowed for DSD256, it's even more appealing! The pairing with the Aries streamer, that also share the same qualities, will surely impress.
The Analog DAC is more than twice as expensive as the Vega, so have that in mind...


cheers,
alex
 
Surely. DIY creates the largest bias expectation factor in audio. It is known since long! :)

Yes this is the reason the Lampi's are so popular. DIY projects, for the commercial market. :)
 
No, they are popular because they sound good. Tons of other 1 man shops out there far less popular, though now Lampizator is a 8 people venture, not counting distributor partners.

In any case the expectation bias he referred to was clearly for one's OWN DIY projects. Surely you got that!
 
Thank you Alex for the reply.


It doesn't. Different ball game.
The Auralic is very impressive, very detailed (more so than other DACs in its price range), but it's not as organic and natural as the MSB Analog DAC. Dynamics is one thing the MSB does well, as it's able to render the decay of the notes and instruments more realistically than just about anything else I've heard.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great product, and very popular for a reason! Now with the recent firmware upgrade, that allowed for DSD256, it's even more appealing! The pairing with the Aries streamer, that also share the same qualities, will surely impress.
The Analog DAC is more than twice as expensive as the Vega, so have that in mind...


cheers,
alex
 

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