I just arrived tonight back here will be listening for next few days .
Magico A5?
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Muddy bass would be the last thing I would describe about the A5’s. I’m only using the provided spikes into carpet. So my experience might be very different.
I have found it easy to get muddy bass out of an A5. Depending the amp I pair it with or the cabling I use. Still have a slight amount of muddiness left, but I am also not using the spikes yet (on a floating wood floor), and am very curious regarding the isoacoustics - which would be less hassle for me than going apods or included spikes.
Don't forget to include the Townshend Platform as well. Might outperform all the above-mentioned.
...no muddy bass here. In fact, very tight, articulate bass. IsoAcoustic Gaias on engineered wood over concrete.
Same floor structure as in my room; definitely need to try the Gaia with the A5's. Currently using the Apods and all things considered I'm pleased with the bottom octaves but it couldn't hurt to experiment.
MarkusB- were you using the Apods before the move to the Isoacoustic Gaia?
Just a head's up...have used GAIA under a pair of Wilsons on hardwood (now have A5's with Magico Pods) and the "rubber cups" at the base have a very strong suction and adheres to the floor like a MF.....I did pull out the lower rubber portion of one GAIA trying to slide the speaker along the floor. Suggest you'd seek out a silicone slider underside the GAIA to move easily...IMO.
Having listened to A3, A5, M2 at my dealer, I wouldn’t say Magico speaker bass is ever muddy (once the speakers are broken in). However, whether they are on wheels vs spikes vs APod/Mpod definitely make a difference. So if we say that A3/A5/M2 on APod/MPod offer extremely clean bass, then I guess the comparison would be A3/A5/M2 on wheels/spikes offers less clean bass which I guess some people can call it “muddier” bass.
My listening room has awful room acoustics which I compensate with DSP to make sure the bass is not too muddy. The downside to measuring to create the DSP myself is that I can actually see where all the bass resonances are. And without a doubt, now that I added more targeted bass traps to my room, I’m getting more clarity to the bass with bass traps+DSP compared to no bass traps and DSP alone.
And I have definitely seen how some speakers would trigger bass resonance more compared to other speakers (e.g. ported vs not ported), even if their anechoic frequency response are similar. And since this is very room dependent, my take is always measure. But then you might not like what you find out, especially if there is not much you can do about it. Muddy bass can come from anywhere and it’s not always the speakers.
My listening room has awful room acoustics which I compensate with DSP to make sure the bass is not too muddy. The downside to measuring to create the DSP myself is that I can actually see where all the bass resonances are. And without a doubt, now that I added more targeted bass traps to my room, I’m getting more clarity to the bass with bass traps+DSP compared to no bass traps and DSP alone.
And I have definitely seen how some speakers would trigger bass resonance more compared to other speakers (e.g. ported vs not ported), even if their anechoic frequency response are similar. And since this is very room dependent, my take is always measure. But then you might not like what you find out, especially if there is not much you can do about it. Muddy bass can come from anywhere and it’s not always the speakers.
I initially tried the included spikes, adding small dimpled steel discs, which were good. As I had previous experience with Gaias, I decided to try them on the A5s, and have stuck with them.
Everything sounds excellent now with the Gaias and break in
First post on this site after reading through this thread, and hoping for some advice.
I'm thinking about upgrading my Magico A1 speakers to A3 or A5 in an open room, but a general listening area of about about 4m x 4m w/ 3m ceilings.
The speakers would sit about 2.5m apart from each other, with the front of the tweeter about 70cm from the wall, and listening spot about 3m away from the front of the speakers, and about 50cm from the rear wall.
Would an A5 be unsuited for a room of this size? (i.e. too big? I am not looking for volume)
I am happy with a Devialet Expert Pro 440 powering the A1. Would it be a suitable amp for the A5?
If I've missed any info that would help, feel free to ask.
I'm thinking about upgrading my Magico A1 speakers to A3 or A5 in an open room, but a general listening area of about about 4m x 4m w/ 3m ceilings.
The speakers would sit about 2.5m apart from each other, with the front of the tweeter about 70cm from the wall, and listening spot about 3m away from the front of the speakers, and about 50cm from the rear wall.
Would an A5 be unsuited for a room of this size? (i.e. too big? I am not looking for volume)
I am happy with a Devialet Expert Pro 440 powering the A1. Would it be a suitable amp for the A5?
If I've missed any info that would help, feel free to ask.
To me, an A3 and A5 can work because the problem is not really the speaker but the room. Devialet Expert Pro 440 allows you to have parametric EQ so as long as you don’t have a major dip in frequency at your listening position, you should be able to compensate most of the room effect by using the parametric EQ function.
You’re going to run into this problem regardless of which floorstanding speaker (Magico or not) you choose.
Are you already running SAM with your Devialet to extend the low end of the A1?
Before leaping into a new pair of speakers, one thing you can try is to measure your current listening position’s frequency response. It’s possible that you’ll find out if you just move your seat front or back slightly, you’ll get a smoother bass response and you won’t need a new pair of speakers. It’s also possible that you’ll find out you’re truly lacking in the lowest end but there are bass peaks you need to EQ so you’ll want the A5 to fill in the low bass while EQ’ing the room effects. Of course you might just want to upgrade to A5 for the more articulate bass and midrange but I think it’s likely you’ll need to apply some EQ given your room size.
A data point
Had the 440’s driving Magico Q3s and the system sounded wonderful….assume the Q3 would present as difficult, or more difficult load, as the A5 (my current speaker)
My room is approximately 8.5m L x 6.2m W with a maximum ceiling height of 3.5m. In this room the Magico A5 has no problem achieving satisfying listening volumes. For reference, from the listening position, my "normal" listening levels measure 78-82 dB. Achieving 88-90+ dB is no problem except for the rest of my family.
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Magico released the Magico Magazine Vol 1 just now.
www.magicoaudio.com
And there is a link to the following A5 review on HiFi Critic :
www.magicoaudio.com
Magico Magazine Vol.1 — Magico Loudspeakers
www.magicoaudio.com
And there is a link to the following A5 review on HiFi Critic :
HIFI CRITIC A5 Review — Magico Loudspeakers
www.magicoaudio.com
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