That album shows up among the 88 listings Roon identifies as “Appearances”.Example: Chet Baker - Blues For A Reason
Blues for a Reason - Wikipedia
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Cecil McBee plays on that album, but is not listed in Qobuz' credits.
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Qobuz credits are incomplete. Roon adds information from Rovi (AllMusic) or MusicBrainz. In this case, the album, oddly, is not listed in AllMusic, so the information should come from MusicBrainz:
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I don't know if the album shows up on your search in Roon, but it could/should...
More Consensus That Streaming Is An Inferior Format & Not High End?
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Works in this example, and Roon can compensate for the lack of information on the record label’s digital album, but as I mentioned before the data in AllMusic and MusicBrainz is far from comprehensive and there are many errors or omissions. It is not important to everyone, and there are no better alternatives anyway.
Hi DDK,
Great thread! Just found this quote from Jonathan Valin, an extremely talented human in his way with words (when he doesn't come across as a cheap peddler of hifi drek), which brilliantly captures what many experienced folks feel about streaming:
"...Switching over to hi-res streaming via Qobuz was, once again, a shock. I'm used to streaming; I've grown to like it (or, at least, to tolerate it). But in comparison to the physical disc, the sound of the Qobuz stream of Blues for the Soul through the Dream-Play XC DAC was like the taste of a glass of 2019 Chateau De Beaucastel Chateauneuf Du-Pape Hommage à Jacques Perrin into which some fool has poured an equal amount of tap water. Everything was weakened, watered down, diluted in color, flattened in body, made ordinary, listless, digitally flavorless. ..."
And Roy Gregory says something similar in this thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...dax-cd-transport-and-decide-against-it.37961/
Experts aside, I have heard the "mighty Taiko" in a few friends' places, in systems I am familiar with. And despite the enthusiasm in their orgiastic thread, the mighty Taiko gets blown away, not just by the newish $3K transport from China, but also by a 20 year transport using the esoteric mechanism. Just as Valin described. (For guys who are insecure when others don't share their preference, yes, I heard the taiko with Ruoon, their proprietary software, their switch, etc., and it still sucks!!!)
These guys streaming in their systems costing hundreds of thousands dollars may as well be playing MP3s. What a waste. Guys driving their Bugatti in the parking lot... what a waste ...
But obviously other people have had different experiences to form their opinions - either via different perception or via being experientially impoverished.
And the experiences people have in their minds are completely different from what others have in their minds. Disagreements will go on foreever ...
But what if you send the signal into a dac with big fat tubes, does it not make everything perfect ?
why not send to the same dac with big fat tubes from the transport?But what if you send the signal into a dac with big fat tubes, does it not make everything perfect ?
just find a 25 year old McIntosh transport with an esoteric transport... cheaper and much better than an $30K taiko computer
Have you listened to native dxd or dsd 256 recordings, locally stored, played through a dac that ‘services’ these (original) formats? That is a completely different ballgame than streaming from Quobuz. As you might have noticed, Roy Gregory did not answer my question in this regard to him. I have the impression Roy does not have many, if any, native dxd and dsd 256 recordings available on the Wadax’s hard disc. And Valin is only referring to his streaming experiences.
Yes, I heard DSD formats and variations... And I fukking hate DSD on 97 percent of recordings!
no jump factor compared to PCM... compared to live music, it's soft and mushy, and lacks ATTACK (all sustain and decay) in anything but the best recordings... but I don't find those recordings musically compelling... and the hobby for me is not to listen to "perfect" audiophile recordings but to music I enjoy... if I never heard DSD ever again in my life, no big loss...I can't wait to jam some Freddie King later tonight...
YMMV, of course, per my comments on human perception and what we have in our minds
Cheers
I partly agree with you in the sense that native dxd recordings sound to my ears clearly better than dsd recordings, the latter format sounds indeed ‘soft’. No idea to what kind of dac you listened, but to my ears - and to all my visitors - the native high resolution recordings, locally stored, sound damn impressive with the Wadax reference dac/server/Akasa interlink combination.Yes, I heard DSD formats and variations... And I fukking hate DSD on 97 percent of recordings!
no jump factor compared to PCM... compared to live music, it's soft and mushy, and lacks ATTACK (all sustain and decay) in anything but the best recordings... but I don't find those recordings musically compelling... and the hobby for me is not to listen to "perfect" audiophile recordings but to music I enjoy... if I never heard DSD ever again in my life, no big loss...I can't wait to jam some Freddie King later tonight...
YMMV, of course, per my comments on human perception and what we have in our minds
Cheers
And just to be totally clear on this: I am referring to locally stored (native) high res recording and not to Tidal or Quobuz streaming.
Yes, agree. And wadax maybe an exception and I have limited experience with it...
but I have extensively experienced other top dacs - msb, totaldac, dcs, CH, etc., and it's as you describe... and something I don't care to invest my precious time in time any more..
As my time is limited, and when I get a chance, I would rather listen less-well recorded Great music
Fair enough. That said, as I already mentioned in my reply to Roy there are great sounding native dxd and dsd 256 recordings available of great musicians casu quo beautiful music beautifully played. See for example the Spirit of Turtle website (Bert van der Wolf’s native dxd recordings) and companies like 2l, TRPTK, Pentatone (see my latest comments/recommendations in the La Assoluta thread), Reference recordings (listen for example to the dxd versions of the various Manfred Honeck’s recording by the Sound Mirror team), etc.
I know nothing about streaming, but that's hilarious.
I remember a scene from Waterworld where 'pirates' come close to Costner's raft and a woman points at them and screams 'Smokers !!'. I replayed that in my head with her screaming 'Streamers !!'
Looks like the streamer wars are on! Seems like taiko is not taking it well that wadax is the new consensus best streamer, and is releasing a near six-figure streamer of their own.
I will try to find my old oppo from a closet and wouldn't be surprised if it obliterates the super taiko
PS. adding smiley faces. Let's see if the guys paying around 6 figures for the super taiko can beat an entry level from China
I will try to find my old oppo from a closet and wouldn't be surprised if it obliterates the super taiko
PS. adding smiley faces. Let's see if the guys paying around 6 figures for the super taiko can beat an entry level from China
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I think Roy Gregory gets very deep into the weeds of ultimate silver discs, ultimate file listening and ultimate streaming here the last few pages of his extended Wadax server/power supply review. lots of detail to weight through.
especially when he can adjust the waveform for streaming sources ideally as the Wadax Ref Server allows. his take is at the very tip tip top of digital hardware it more depends on the normal recording and mastering variations more than the delivery mechanisms. but.....if you back away from that very top rung of gear, then the silver disc does have advantages.
my 2 cents is that the awesome musical access of streaming is so ridiculously superior to discs it crazy to downgrade it if you are anywhere close to top on the hardware side. just too much great music. the experience is just crazy good. lots of music is missed, head in the sand, holding on to physical digital media.
especially when he can adjust the waveform for streaming sources ideally as the Wadax Ref Server allows. his take is at the very tip tip top of digital hardware it more depends on the normal recording and mastering variations more than the delivery mechanisms. but.....if you back away from that very top rung of gear, then the silver disc does have advantages.
my 2 cents is that the awesome musical access of streaming is so ridiculously superior to discs it crazy to downgrade it if you are anywhere close to top on the hardware side. just too much great music. the experience is just crazy good. lots of music is missed, head in the sand, holding on to physical digital media.
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Exactly the conclusion you’re likely to reach when you fail to fully optimise the network for audio. As I’ve posted on dozens of occasions, the network is the richest ground for upgrading sound quality I ever found in over 50 years of involvement in hi-fi. To the point I’d go to hi-fi shows, listen to over 200 rooms and find nothing i‘d want to spent more than 20 seconds listening to. The secret to great streaming is the quality of the network’s physical layer. The Taiko Extreme is one part of a great set-up but by far not the only part. In most systems, the network is far from optimised yet its where most of the magic lies.
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