MSB Select Digital Director and Westminster Lab upgrade dc cables : The throne of MSB Select DAC secured!

I will simply confirm what CK and QuadDiffuser have stated although stepped down to the Reference level. All the same elements are enhanced to present a significant improvement over the stock DC cable.
Combined with the AVAA active bass traps, the improvements are even more noticeable in my space.
I didn’t want to admit it when I first demoed the Westminster DC cable but there’s no denying it.
 
Angus kindly lent me a demo pair of the 1.2m Westminster Labs DC cables to audition and they were every bit as good as what others on this thread have heard/reported! My MSB Select II DAC's soundstage reproduction became much more expansive, dynamic, liquid, and natural. The stock 0.6m DC cables were constipated and starved, constraining my system's potential in a major way.

Accordingly, I've placed an order for the 1.2m pair, which allow for more flexibility in component placement and pin plug orientation options. As the cables are quite stiff, I wanted to avoid torquing them excessively in a variety of DAC + power supply placement (vertical, diagonal, and horizontal) configurations.

Given the complexity of the DC cable's construction (internal conductors’ positioning/spin and insulation overlays) there will inevitably be some natural variability in the final connector termination positions (relative to each other), offering potential for some pair-matching via natural selection, but not (I’m guessing) bespoke construction/customization. For buyers contemplating buying the shorter 0.6m pair, I’d advise confirming that all four of the cables’ connectors are oriented “in phase” (as closely as possible) with the DAC and PSs so that torquing can be minimized.

BTW, I've also placed an order for a quadruple-stack of brand-new DAC components. No need to guess what they might be. Why? Of course, the MSB Technology Select II DAC (my second triple-stack set) but this time, with my very first Select Digital Director!

My new home and its dedicated basement listening room won't be ready for at least 18 months, but I'm supremely confident that the MSB "QuadStack" is exactly what I want. Rhymes with my WBF moniker, QuadDiffuser, hehe!

Stock photos sourced from the Internet below, to whet your appetite:


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Three weeks ago, I decided to halt my order for the MSB QuadStack; my rationale is explained here:
 
Westminster Lab launched the dc cable for MSB Select/Reference Transports just now.
There are users in Hong Kong already.
:cool:

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Angus, boss/designer of Westminster Lab told me that it can be applied to MSB Discrete and Premier DACs too.
:D
 
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Yes, it will be interesting to do so but there isn't an Audio Sensitivity dealer in HK.

BTW I heard that all Westminster Lab dc cables for MSB had been sent to MSB for testing so the replacement is safe.
 
Yes, it will be interesting to do so but there isn't an Audio Sensitivity dealer in HK.

BTW I heard that all Westminster Lab dc cables for MSB had been sent to MSB for testing so the replacement is safe.
I'm not in Canada either but I do believe Audio Sensibilty most definitely ships internationally. I don't know if they had sent the cable to MSB, but one of the biggest MSB dealers Suncoast Audio had officially picked their umbilical cables to go with both MSB and Lumin. Together with the various glowing reviews, bodes well for the credibility.
 
I'm not in Canada either but I do believe Audio Sensibilty most definitely ships internationally. I don't know if they had sent the cable to MSB, but one of the biggest MSB dealers Suncoast Audio had officially picked their umbilical cables to go with both MSB and Lumin. Together with the various glowing reviews, bodes well for the credibility.
Good info!
 
Any experience/comparison also with Revelation Audio Labs umbilicals for MSB DACs?
 
sì, le rivelazioni audio sono buone ma il venditore è inaffidabile, bisogna avere pazienza.
 
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What's inside this smallish box I received from Westminster Lab?

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Yes, it's the Westminster Lab dc cable for my MSB Select Transport!

This is the original black colour dc cable included with my Select transport :
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Here is the replacement dc cable made by Westminster Lab.
There is an external carbon fiber sheath for noise reduction & a metallic node for vibration modulation :
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The 4 pins allow 2 rails of DC.
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The dc cable is new so I had a brief listen with these two discs only :
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However the sonic improvement was really intriguing even without any burn-in!
:oops:

The soundstage got widened and deepened significantly.
The images within were more discrete, 3D & realistic.
The soundstage was filled with "more air".

Most importantly the sound was now more vivid and the PRaT was at a much higher yet natural level.

IMHO this Westminster Lab upgrade dc cable for MSB Select & Reference Transports is indispensable!
It's a Must-Buy and I'm writing the cheque now!
:cool:
 
Thanks, CK! Based upon what your telling me I may have to join you and Angus and buy an MSB for my personal use:)

For some it's hard to believe a cable in this mode of use (DC power) can make such a significant sonic difference. In my experience all WestminsterLab cables from power cords to interconnects, digital signal cables and speaker connections have a similar effect to what CK has described. Anyone with an interest in testing this cable or any other WL cables in their set-up should feel free to PM me.

In other MSB DAC enthusiast news:
Based upon inquiries from several WBF members, Angus and his team have just completed creating a dedicated DC cable for the MSB Discrete and Premier DACs. These will be somewhat more affordable than the Reference and Select DAC cables due to their less complex construction but will nevertheless offer similar rewards. Again, please feel free to PM me for pricing and availability for an in-home demo.


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Members, if any MSB Reference or Select II owners are interested, we have a client who has recently switched to a new DAC and asked for help finding a home for her mint Westminster Lab MSB DC cables at a great price! The length is 1.2 matters. Feel free to PM for more details.
 
Members, a client of ours just switched from MSB Reference to a new DAC and asked for my help finding a new home for her Westminster Lab for MSB DC umbilical cables. This pair is in perfect condition and 1.2 meters in length. Please PM me if you would like more information.
 
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What's inside this smallish box I received from Westminster Lab?

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Yes, it's the Westminster Lab dc cable for my MSB Select Transport!

This is the original black colour dc cable included with my Select transport :
View attachment 122870

Here is the replacement dc cable made by Westminster Lab.
There is an external carbon fiber sheath for noise reduction & a metallic node for vibration modulation :
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The 4 pins allow 2 rails of DC.
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The dc cable is new so I had a brief listen with these two discs only :
View attachment 122873

However the sonic improvement was really intriguing even without any burn-in!
:oops:

The soundstage got widened and deepened significantly.
The images within were more discrete, 3D & realistic.
The soundstage was filled with "more air".

Most importantly the sound was now more vivid and the PRaT was at a much higher yet natural level.

IMHO this Westminster Lab upgrade dc cable for MSB Select & Reference Transports is indispensable!
It's a Must-Buy and I'm writing the cheque now!
:cool:

What's inside this smallish box I received from Westminster Lab?

View attachment 122869

Yes, it's the Westminster Lab dc cable for my MSB Select Transport!

This is the original black colour dc cable included with my Select transport :
View attachment 122870

Here is the replacement dc cable made by Westminster Lab.
There is an external carbon fiber sheath for noise reduction & a metallic node for vibration modulation :
View attachment 122871

The 4 pins allow 2 rails of DC.
View attachment 122872

The dc cable is new so I had a brief listen with these two discs only :
View attachment 122873

However the sonic improvement was really intriguing even without any burn-in!
:oops:

The soundstage got widened and deepened significantly.
The images within were more discrete, 3D & realistic.
The soundstage was filled with "more air".

Most importantly the sound was now more vivid and the PRaT was at a much higher yet natural level.

IMHO this Westminster Lab upgrade dc cable for MSB Select & Reference Transports is indispensable!
It's a Must-Buy and I'm writing the cheque now!
:cool:
Thanks for this.

I have made may own DC-cables and that on itself already made a good improvement. Based on your recommendation and others I have seen on Westminster Lab reviews, I might even want to order a set for my Premier DAC as well.

@ lscangus where can I order such a set out of the Netherlands?

Thanks!
 
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Thanks for this.

I have made may own DC-cables and that on itself already made a good improvement. Based on your recommendation and others I have seen on Westminster Lab reviews, I might even want to order a set for my Premier DAC as well.

@ lscangus where can I order such a set out of the Netherlands?

Thanks!
RdW, thank you for confirming that DC cables make a significant difference! We have a partner in Germany who can assist you with our newest WestminsterLab for MSB DC cable for the Premier. Simply DM Angus or me; we will connect you with the right folks.

Angus
@lscangus
 
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Members, if any MSB Reference or Select II owners are interested, we have a client who has recently switched to a new DAC and asked for help finding a home for her mint Westminster Lab MSB DC cables at a great price! The length is 1.2 matters. Feel free to PM for more details.
I sent you a PM to see if this is still available, abeit, almost 9 months after your original post.
 
During the past 3+ years of pandemic, hi-end audio manufacturers have not stayed status quo.
There are either new lines or new upgrades launched for their flagship models :
CH Precision - C1.2 Upgrade.
dCS - Apex Upgrade.
Totaldac - the new series of Unity/Triunity/Sublime DACs.
Lampizator - the Horizon DAC.

I've auditioned all of them and also the most expensive Wadax Ref DAC, (except the Horizon). All are outstanding!

I disclaim that I'm a diehard fan of MSB dac. The MSB Select DAC has been my favorite dac for years.
However, can it meet the challenges and secure the throne?

The answer is Affirmative!
Two upgrades/add-ons are essential for the defence and I have auditioned them carefully to arrive at this conclusion :

(1) MSB Select Digital Director.
I won't go into the details of the design of DD. There is much discussion and some user comments on this WBF thread :

The supply of DD cannot meet the demand. In Hong Kong even the local MSB dealer can't afford to have a demo unit. There are only a few DD owners in HK at this moment, maybe two or three only.

The first two local DD owners are my friends and I home-visited one of them. This is Ricky's audio system :

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The DD & Select DAC are stacked together. He employs an Extreme Server as source, connecting to DD via home network & a Renderer V2 module.

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The operation of DD with the Extreme Server and Select DAC is smooth and faultless.

The sonic improvement per sac is instantaneous and ear-opening, exactly as what other DD owners have mentioned on the WBF DD thread.

Let me elaborate more about the sonics after I talk about the 2nd essential upgrade.

(2) Westminster Lab Upgrade DC Cables for Select DAC.
Angus Leung, boss & designer of Westminster Lab is a good friend of mine. He is also employed by Lumin as chief designer to tune the sound of the streamers.

Angus makes upgrade dc cables for Lumin streamers under his own Westminster Lab brand for some time already but the upgrade dc cables for MSB Select DAC is much less well-known.
There isn't much marketing/advertisement. Another reason is that they are expensive. The msrp is around usd10k per set! o_O

I did question Angus about the price and he argued that the Select DAC dc cables are difficult to make because there are several dc voltages/rails.
The internal wires are alloy of copper+silver (not silver-plating), each mirror-polished by hand then individually shielded.

After arguing, he lent me a set and said that I would understand and accept the pricing. Really?

This is the packing :

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The craftsmanship is impeccable :

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There is a metallic node near the Powerbase side :
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The installation was not easy, because of lack of space and that the two Powerbases were placed 90degees turned to one side.
One of the original dc cables was on the floor.

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(3) The Sonic Improvement - together & separately.

I must say that the above two gadgets are able to keep the Select DAC to be my favorite dac amongst all the flagship grade dac I mentioned at the beginning of this post.
The DD & Westminster dc cables have got rid of any thought of mine to switch camp. :p

IMHO after installing them, each of the sonic aspects are significantly improved but most importantly, they are able to "transport" me into the concert halls, recording studios ...etc.

To be frank, I'm a very picky music lover. I'm very particular about the artists, interpretation and recording quality when purchasing discs & files.
In the contrary, when I attend live concerts, I find myself enjoying almost every one of them. The music is live & real and I'm part of the happening.
Any WBF brothers have similar feeling?

This is exactly what DD and Westminster Lab dc cables brought about in that evening.
My friend and I listened to recordings both of mediocre and audiophile recrding quality and all of them were 100% enjoyable.
It seemed that we are in the venues. The music was no longer canned music but became real & live!

Could DD alone do that?
Ricky and I initially thought that DD could do so.
However when we added the Westminster Lab dc cables, the music became even "realer".

Perception/audition experience is subjective but if I'm asked to give a numerical estimate, I would like to say that the dc cables contributed at least 30% of the accomplishment.

Angus was right : it's not the look but performance which justify the high price of the dc cables.
:rolleyes:

My humble suggestion is that every MSB Select owners MUST audition & consider both of them.

How about me myself? Will I take the plunge and get one or both of them?
Please guess.
;)
I know it's well over a year, but it would be great if you could rank the models you've heard.
 

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