Munich HighEnd 2024

[Gregadd]

This is an excellent video. Near perfect sound and picture. It is long so get your Favorite chair and beverage and enjoy.

Note to exhibitors: Music selection
Las year at CAF ab exhibitor stopped me in the hallway. He asked what kind of music to people like.
Nothing sends potential customers screaming from the room Ike loud screeching treble.
Nothing brings them in like a nice smooth midrange.
Bass sells. They want a nice clean tight bass. A good double bass is a place to start.
Throw in serval solo or ax Apela selections.
Remember late in the day listening fatigue is bound to set in.
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[Argonaut]

This is a new theory to me. I have to admit that I have not heard that YouTube rolls of the high frequencies before this. It has been my experience that due to recording microphones inability to capture low frequency bass below 40Hz, that systems on YouTube videos sound or are perceived to be tilted-up in tonal balance because of the imbalance created by the lack of low frequency content.

Apologies , my poor explanation , YT always sounds somewhat rolled off to me , Currently whatever you upload to YT will be converted to format 251: Opus 48kHz VBR ≤160Kbps , which is the highest quality playback currently available on playback with the standard service. Higher-quality audio is available only for YouTube Premium subscribers Bitrate: 256kbps AAC

Unfortunately, there is technically no way to upload audio to YouTube without quality loss. Even when you upload a video with lossless FLAC audio, YouTube transcodes it into AAC and then plays it back at 48kbps, 128kpps, and 256kbps respectively, depending on the selected audio quality settings,

 

[Carlos269]

Apologies , my poor explanation , YT always sounds somewhat rolled off to me , Currently whatever you upload to YT will be converted to format 251: Opus 48kHz VBR ≤160Kbps , which is the highest quality playback currently available on playback with the standard service. Higher-quality audio is available only for YouTube Premium subscribers Bitrate: 256kbps AAC

Yes, the Opus (251) 48Kz sample clock rate gives a frequency response up to 24KHz, per the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem.

 

[Verdier]

Thrax was, disconcerting. We came out of the many visits to the room perturbed. The level of integration, intimacy and musicality expression where off the charts.

Do you happen to know what kind of speakers they were?

 

[morricab]

Do you happen to know what kind of speakers they were?

Thrax speakers…fully active with Class D on bass and Thrax amps on mid and highs.

 

[matthias]

Do you happen to know what kind of speakers they were?

Thrax Audio Gaida Speaker System – M & S | Ultimate High-Fidelity

www.monoandstereo.com

 

[Al M.]

Aeries Cerat switches to aircraft engine manufacture.

Well, that doesn't sound good.

But hey, it's just a video.

 

[Audiohertz2]

Thrax speakers…fully active with Class D on bass and Thrax amps on mid and highs.

How was it ..?

 

[Al M.]

In my previous thread that was deleted, I addressed this very issue. I think that those who prefer the sound of analog reproduction have become accustomed to a curtailed high frequency extension and resolution. In that particular thread, which is no longer with us I provided a number of examples. For those of us that are listening with HQPLAYER for example, the low level details and nuance provided by the additional treble detail, resolution and extension is simply what separates a resolving system from one with “dull treble”, my characterization and terminology.

Not quite. You said:

"I think that those who prefer the sound of analog reproduction have become accustomed to a curtailed high frequency extension and resolution."

Let me correct this:

"I think that those who have the sound of live unamplified music as reference have become accustomed to a natural high frequency extension and resolution."

I prefer a non-tipped-up HF balance also on my digital reproduction. This has nothing to with analog vs digital. I don't have analog playback.

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(Of course, all digital playback is in fact analog as well, given that the waveforms coming out of the DAC are analog, but to some that is splitting hairs.)

 

[morricab]

Well, that doesn't sound good.

But hey, it's just a video.

Sounds like the phone or whatever is overloading badly.

 

[morricab]

How was it ..?

Look back at my lists…I thought it was great but not sure about long term listening…it was kind of intense.

 

[GMKF]

This was a fun read.

On the topic of Göbel:
Oliver is probably the nicest person in High End audio I had the pleasure to interact with.

See you next year !

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

when I visit [Munich] I take some recordings I know and play them on the systems, so as not to listen to what is on demo.

Wait, are demonstrators open to that?
I always do that in my town. But here, I am "at home"... Munich, the biggest audio show, is quite another story (some rooms even closed to the public until Saturday Noon, etc).

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If so, I could nearly second what a previous poster wrote: “Thanks for sharing your experience in Munich and inspiring me to attend next year.” (#693)

 

[andromedaaudio]

Request for next year :


Kharma / Wadax demonstrates with the Kharma exquisite classic speaker powered by VTL Vacuum tube logic

 

[Carlos269]

Not quite. You said:

"I think that those who prefer the sound of analog reproduction have become accustomed to a curtailed high frequency extension and resolution."

Let me correct this:

"I think that those who have the sound of live unamplified music as reference have become accustomed to a natural high frequency extension and resolution."

I prefer a non-tipped-up HF balance also on my digital reproduction. This has nothing to with analog vs digital. I don't have analog playback.

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(Of course, all digital playback is in fact analog as well, given that the waveforms coming out of the DAC are analog, but to some that is splitting hairs.)

Al, I don’t want to keep repeating myself over and over so I won’t, but I will tell you this, I was at a live event this weekend listening to unamplified brass and string players and let me tell you that the blaring high frequencies were not restrained. The sound of the body of the brass horns resonating and the detail of the wire wound strings interplay with the frets….. it might be the Latin soul of the music or perhaps the Latin blood running in the players vain’s and in me but there was nothing smooth or curtailed about the musical presentation or high frequency content and detail.

 

[bonzo75]

Wait, are demonstrators open to that?

Yes many of them. Some carry classical records you can request

 

[Lagonda]

And finally like i mentioned already a couple
of times , biggest surprise of the show .
Electronics that can convey the musicians intent.

I talked with luke manley briefly really nice guy , great demo.

You can pick up Ron's VTL system, at a good price on Audiogon !

 

[Al M.]

Al, I don’t want to keep repeating myself over and over so I won’t, but I will tell you this, I was at a live event this weekend listening to unamplified brass and string players and let me tell you that the blaring high frequencies were not restrained. The sound of the body of the brass horns resonating and the detail of the wire wound strings interplay with the frets….. it might be the Latin soul of the music or perhaps the Latin blood running in the players vain’s and in me but there was nothing smooth or curtailed about the musical presentation or high frequency content and detail.

Of course high frequencies are not curtailed in live music. But they aren't tipped up either., not like the sound in a lot of your videos that you like and claim is representative of the sound of your systems.

And yes, I don't want smooth either. I want the rawness of real music in reproduction. Unfortunately, many systems sound too polite.

 

[andromedaaudio]

many systems sound too polite.

That s probably because most are on the " juice " .... read power conditioners.
Makes everything sound very smooth, i ve seen lots of Torus power conditioners at shows

 

[marty]

Listening to an opera Saturday night might have helped. Marty did not listen to an opera Wednesday night.

Correct. I was at the Munich Philharmonic Wed night, not the opera.
The Opera I went to was in Vienna, 4 nights prior.
It's OK to have widely different opinions about the sound one prefers in reproduced music. It's not unlike having a preference for a hall or an orchestra or a particular conductor. It's all good.