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Yggy2: Hot Schiit - Take 1

So I've had Al's Yggy2 for two days now, warming up for over 36 hours, and the unit is coming to life; 24 hours were not enough; Al recommends 48 hours.

My Spectral transport is feeding AES/EBU to it, and SPDIF to my modified Alpha DAC; I have not tried swapping them yet. Both are using the same MIT 50ic interconnects, and I can easily switch between them on the preamp, after adjusting volume.

I have spent years modifying my Alpha DAC on and off, while also playing with the volume control to find the best spot. On that, I have spent at least two years going up and down the scale, and recently settled on 48.5, which I felt renders the most dynamic, least distorting and most resolving sound with any type of music, from the softest sounds to full orchestra + organ. My modified Alpha DAC has outperformed the stock Alpha, the Vivaldi 2.0, the Spectral SDR-4000SV and the Berkeley Ref1 and Ref3, all of which I had in house over the years for eval. "Outperformed" surely requires qualification: it is the clearest sound from any of these other DACs when the recordings are stellar, though others may like any of the other DACs simply because they make an effort (one way or another) to make digital sound pleasing. Indeed, people have called all these DACs sublime and other superlatives. My modified Alpha DAC is just plain BLUNT, and this is the type of sound I get from my Ortofon A90 as well.

Once I started A/B'ing the two DACs, I could not believe what I was hearing. I thought to myself: when was the last time two components sounded virtually identical? The answer, in my experience, is Never. The Yggy2 in here is simply just plain BLUNT as well. Without the ability to A/B quickly back and forth, I would be tempted to say they both sound identical in every single way, from timbre to articulation to dynamics... to everything.

After very careful listening with just two CDs, and going back and forth, a few things become clear:

1) The rhythm that we've been commenting in Al's system originates [obviously] from the Yggy2. The stock Alpha DAC was the first DAC I had heard that did rhythm, but the Yggy2 is at another level

2) As blunt and realistic as my modified Alpha DAC sounds at the current volume setting - outclassing anything else in here so far - the Yggy2 is ever so more blunt, more vivid and more realistic, even if by a hair. But if you know where to focus on, the distinction can be made

3) It was shocking to me to realize that all my work on the Alpha DAC over the years would have brought it up to "today's modern specs" if you will, and really happy to hear another DAC offer the same sound, and 1-2% better. But that small incremental improvement, when heard with large scale music, is really evident. For me to be able to pinpoint the exact digital volume setting on my Alpha was especially rewarding.

Is that 1-2% difference due to AES/EBU vs SPDIF? Not sure, I intend to swap them at some point soon. But what is evidently clear is that the Yggy2 is one fundamentally-sound giant killer, at least in my system. If you read up the Schiit web site about it, the Yggy2 is an unusual design and execution, from the power supply, to the D-to-A chip, and even the analog section. In fact, I am not sure I can modify or improve on its power supply that easily. I also don't like the gaps in the case, but, small potatoes.

On the 24hr mark, my Alpha had the upper hand, especially in terms of smoothness and low-end drive and definition - traits that just don't exist to this degree in ANY Berkeley DAC to date, up and including the Ref3. On the 36 hour mark, the Yggy2 matched or surpassed this Alpha, and put a smile in my face.

This is my definition of true-to-the-recording: when two components are so close to each other, in a highly resolving system, and sound so incredibly good and realistic when the recording is up to it, then I know these components are on the right path.

Here are the two CDs I am initially playing with, both very very challenging:





The trumpets and other wind in the Proteus are phenomenal with every single track. The full orchestra on the Shostakovich 5's finale, totally breathtaking, with the timpani so full of body and the final bass drum hits so tight, clear and present; separation of instruments so well done!

So far, the Yggy2 fed through AES/EBU and this Spectral SDR-3000SL transport offers the cleanest, most resolving redbook sound I have heard to date, and it's probably still warming up.

Pretty soon, I would like to compare them all against the MSB Premier, of which I hear very good things. But I feel the Yggy2 is my new benchmark. Its price is not high enough to attract attention, but it is what it is. I may just order one, if things continue to be so positive over the next week or so, unless the digital signal swap tilts the scale to Alpha's side.
 
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Nice write up, Tasos. Clear and concise. And congratulations on the confirmation of your own modified DAC. If you get one, this will be the DAC of choice for the Boston Audio Group, clearly, with three members using one. The next compare may have to be with VLS's MSB.

A few questions: How is the YGGY2 being supported in your rack? Did you make room for it, or is it somewhere else? I'd be curious if your impressions change if you swap the locations of the two DACs. Do you have any interest in comparing Al's transport to your Spectral transport? Have you had a chance to play Carmina Burana, isn't that your "acid test"? Do you hear any traits from this DAC that are different from what you hear at Al's or is that too tough given all the other differences between the two systems and rooms?

Finally, Do you have a preference between this digital and your vinyl? I've heard both sound excellent in your system, and for me it would be a matter of what format is the music on, but you live with both and may think one is closer to the recording than the other. Just curious.
 

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Surely u mean the final of the 5th, not the 9th.......and the Proteus, meh........like all Dorians
 
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Surely u mean the final of the 5th, not the 9th.......and the Proteus, meh........like all Dorians

I think it is the 9th, let me double check when I get home
 

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Well, the little people can do little else.
 

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Interesting ... that kind of misogyny is good in your books??
I am a little autistic when it comes to political correctness. And welcome to
the forum, you are going to be a lot of fun :rolleyes:
 
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Nice write up, Tasos. Clear and concise. And congratulations on the confirmation of your own modified DAC. If you get one, this will be the DAC of choice for the Boston Audio Group, clearly, with three members using one. The next compare may have to be with VLS's MSB.

A few questions: How is the YGGY2 being supported in your rack? Did you make room for it, or is it somewhere else? I'd be curious if your impressions change if you swap the locations of the two DACs. Do you have any interest in comparing Al's transport to your Spectral transport? Have you had a chance to play Carmina Burana, isn't that your "acid test"? Do you hear any traits from this DAC that are different from what you hear at Al's or is that too tough given all the other differences between the two systems and rooms?

Finally, Do you have a preference between this digital and your vinyl? I've heard both sound excellent in your system, and for me it would be a matter of what format is the music on, but you live with both and may think one is closer to the recording than the other. Just curious.

Peter, the Yggy2 is sitting on top of the Pass XP-25 power supply for now; not going to move it or swap - don't care about that stuff. I don't care to compare transports at this point. I did play the Carmina Burana D and it was just beautiful. I can't tell much about Al's and my system based on these tests, they are solely focused on the DACs. I do intend to compare with my analog; yes, they can both sound really good, so we will see.

BTW, for the Yggy2 I am using an off the shelf power cord I had laying around...
 
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Peter, the Yggy2 is sitting on top of the Pass XP-25 power supply for now; not going to move it or swap - don't care about that stuff. I don't care to compare transports at this point. I did play the Carmina Burana D and it was just beautiful. I can't tell much about Al's and my system based on these tests, they are solely focused on the DACs. I do intend to compare with my analog; yes, they can both sound really good, so we will see.

BTW, for the Yggy2 I am using an off the shelf power cord I had laying around...

Well Al’s DAC sounds best in his system with a stock power cord. ;)

I ask about the position of the DAC because those shelves on the Zoetecus rack compared to the metal top plate might just make a difference to the sound. I used to not care about that stuff either so I understand.
 

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Yggy2: Hot Schiit - Take 1

[...]

1) The rhythm that we've been commenting in Al's system originates [obviously] from the Yggy2. The stock Alpha DAC was the first DAC I had heard that did rhythm, but the Yggy2 is at another level

2) As blunt and realistic as my modified Alpha DAC sounds at the current volume setting - outclassing anything else in here so far - the Yggy2 is ever so more blunt, more vivid and more realistic, even if by a hair. But if you know where to focus on, the distinction can be made

3) It was shocking to me to realize that all my work on the Alpha DAC over the years would have brought it up to "today's modern specs" if you will, and really happy to hear another DAC offer the same sound, and 1-2% better. But that small incremental improvement, when heard with large scale music, is really evident. For me to be able to pinpoint the exact digital volume setting on my Alpha was especially rewarding.

[...]

Nice write up, Ack. I am not surprised by your assessment, the Yggy2 is a ridiculously underrated DAC because of its ridiculously low price.

Good that I told you about the warm up time, it's a known phenomenon with this DAC. Trying to listen on the first day would have been pointless.

The rhythm of the Yggy2 is indeed amazing. The stock Berkeley DAC was my very first one out of five (!) up to that point that really could ROCK. But as good as the Berkeley was, the Yggy2 easily bests it. So I think our experiences mirror one another.

At moments where the stock Berkeley comparatively sounds confused in its rhythm, the Yggy2 continues with a brutal surefootedness. Not that this would imply "stiffness", quite the contrary. The Yggy2 has a rhythmic flexibility and suppleness that is just astounding. It is one of the best rhythmic performers that I have heard, analog or digital. It's a "rhythmic beast", as I like to say. The Art Blakey drum solo "Freedom Rider" sounds killer with the Yggy2 as source in my system. I'll have to play it again for you next time. Loud.
 
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BTW, for the Yggy2 I am using an off the shelf power cord I had laying around...

Yeah that's perfectly fine ;).
 

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I had some too but then after recent and extensive experimentation realized that I do not need them. Or shall I say I prefer the sound without them.

Understandable in your room.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think referring to them as wall tampons makes one a misogynist. People are so incredibly sensitive these days.

Yeah, political correctness has become a scourge. It's friggin' stupid ridiculous.
 
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Dave, I guess we should be welcoming young people to the forum, to balance out the dinosaurs that reign supreme here.

I guess you could view gender neutral as someone who's non commital on analog v digital Lol.
 
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I guess you could view gender neutral as someone who's non commital on analog v digital Lol.

Marc, We all have choices. When I go to hear music at my friend Ack's place, some days I feel like listening to analog, and other days I feel like listening to digital. It all depends on what I think sounds more natural and the mood I'm in. And then Al, a digital only kind of guy, welcomes my all vinyl tastes when he comes over, and visa versa. It's all good.
 
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Surely u mean the final of the 5th, not the 9th.......and the Proteus, meh........like all Dorians

Indeed, it is the 5th, not the 9th; post ammended
 

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@Al M. It looks the Yggy2 is using summation buffers for the RCA outputs, which means I probably should be going from XLR to RCA with converters.

Today's sonic orgasm is listening to



and I am going to buy the entire series.. This recording has been my foremost go-to recording for voicing my Alpha.
 
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