We are just getting information from the links you provided in this thread, Bob. Something seems strange about the article though. How can she be described in the headline as a billionaire when she does not have control of the money and only lives on a small monthly income? I'd call that sensational journalism and perhaps even Fake News. The article leaves absent some key information and details about how the Norwegian system calculates the fines they levy for drunk driving. We assumed the fine was based on income, but it was also partially based on some wealth that she does not currently have. Perhaps a future inheritance. It seems to be a sensational story delivered by the Drive-By Media to describe class divisions, point fingers at the 1% and promote class envy and division. Nothing new. It's a nice photograph.
Norwegian billionaire given US $30,400 drunken driving fine
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We are just getting information from the links you provided in this thread, Bob. Something seems strange about the article though. How can she be described in the headline as a billionaire when she does not have control of the money and only lives on a small monthly income? I'd call that sensational journalism and perhaps even Fake News. The article leaves absent some key information and details about how the Norwegian system calculates the fines they levy for drunk driving. We assumed the fine was based on income, but it was also partially based on some wealth that she does not currently have. Perhaps a future inheritance. It seems to be a sensational story delivered by the Drive-By Media to describe class divisions, point fingers at the 1% and promote class envy and division. Nothing new. It's a nice photograph.
Last I was in Oslo I recall it was about 8 dollars for a beer. You need to be rich to get under the influence in the first place. 
Last I was in Oslo I recall it was about 8 dollars for a beer. You need to be rich to get under the influence in the first place.
Getting taxed and fined up the WAZOO is a privilege bestowed on the population by socialists! I remember selling only the cheapest products we made to these northern European countries where the retail pricing ended up somewhere between 25-30 times ex-factory costs due to their tariff & tax system.
david
I can see why Obama's comments are interpreted as such but he has a point. We are lucky to live in the US where it is possible to start a business, we have conditions that allow it and these conditions are not present in many other areas of the world. Americans tend to think of themselves as rugged individualists and take all the credit for anything good that happens to them (and often blame others when it doesn't work out, but that's another topic). We have been brainwashed into conflating socialism with communism, and never acknowledging the contributions of others that make our lives possible. We often don't realize that we do live in a state that already has a lot of socialist features. I think many Americans are simply too stupid to understand these concepts, and be able to think for themselves. If anything, the last couple years have really made it much more clear the level of intelligence of the average American and it's not pretty. We're much farther towards being an Idiocracy than many are comfortable with...
In any case I'm not sure the intent is to marginalize the individual, but rather to bring to awareness the fact that we are supported by a community and we need to be grateful for and acknowledge that, because it's mostly ignored and disregarded, taken for granted.
In any case I'm not sure the intent is to marginalize the individual, but rather to bring to awareness the fact that we are supported by a community and we need to be grateful for and acknowledge that, because it's mostly ignored and disregarded, taken for granted.
The problem was the source and his agenda, the message was a veiled signal and nothing honest about it.
david
Thanks, Dave, for a level-headed and commonsense post. I wish more people could see things the way they really are.
Actually it is quite simple Peter: In Norway, as in most other countries where people have more money than people from other countries having no water, anything you can do to protect yourself from paying taxes is good...Panama, Jamaica, etc. Her dad is billionaire, and he has to protect that money...here that's where her daughter came into play. I provided another link yesterday, from 2003, where the examples are even more pronounced.
The money people are trying to hide from the tax collectors would be best used in reinvesting into their own economy, from solid future beneficial healthier planet and to the people living on it. But in most cases it just don't happen; the fear of paying more taxes is so intense that people are blinded by their own power grid. ...Way of speech...greed.
Journalism earn their money from news that people read. The more people reading the more money. We know the score and we know the sickness of some people from those media.
But there is good journalism too, like National Geographic.
That short article here is mainly to say that in Norway, if you drink and drive you get fine according to what you make per month...1.5 times that salary. E.g..; if one earns $5,000/month the fine for driving drunk will be $7,500 ... etc.
• http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3044539.stm
What I can do next is to provide a PDF file on the specific laws in Norway about drinking and driving, plus an evaluation of her exact income based on the calculations made from the concerned authorities.
I'm sure the privacy act will provide the secret loopholes under the protection of the laws established for the rich. ...Way of speech.
Anyway, I don't see it as fake news or sensationalism, but open to discussion on how the laws in each country works about drinking and driving. And, how us we perceive this and how can we improve it further in our own country.
Crime and punishment. The balance between right and wrong, what right crime fits the wrong punishment...I mean what right punishment fits the wrong crime.:b
The news is only some info given to start learning about the world...lawmakers, space exploration, car industry, planet's air quality, global climate, deforestation, gas emissions, oil pipelines, urbanisation, surpopulation, skyscrapers, drug trafficking, police brutality, women and child exploitation, abuse of power, government corruption, money laundering, tax heavens, the Panama papers, the Paris accord, the future of mankind, the human rights, the wildlife protection, the respect of the air we breathe, the control of the food we eat, the technological advancements, AI, Elon Musk, the diamonds of Africa, the Italian shoe designs, the pursuit of happiness.
It's all fine, everything is good, the music keeps playing and sounds better and better day after day.
We are just humans who love expanding the horizons of our mind and soul...very very natural for any audiophile and cinémathèque.
Drinking and music listening. Alcohol impaires our listening faculties. The level @ which it starts to affect in ways that we cannot judge accurately any longer I don't know...perhaps .05%? I just don't know, but it would be nice to know, depending on your weight and tolerance. But here it doesn't kill, it is not dangerous to others, it can even enhance in agreeable sensations. ...Not like the news but similar. :b
It's nice to have fun a little too, as long as nobody gets hurt.
Recreational drugs ... all that music jazz ... John Coltrane.
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Bob,
I usually avoid commenting on non audio matters, particularly on those involving politics or people traditions. However, considering that this thread is mostly sailing on people ignorance about Norway, a lovely country of friendly people which is at the pool position of the Human Development Index and many other similar indexes related to life quality, I break my rules. Norway had strong drinking and drunkenness traditions and are fighting them as they find best. What could be a common news article in Norway, probably intended to remember people they should not drink and drive, becomes a sensationalist article in other cultures.
FIY, if I did not misread it due to the single glass of wine I had at yesterday dinner
, the limit of blood alcohol content allowed for driving in Norway (.02%) is less the one third the value allowed in Quebec (.08%) or most of the US.Obama's point was simple: the government helped you so give us your money. Socialism only seems to work in counties that have small populations with limited cultural diversity and extremely limited immigration. The United States has neither.
I will agree with you 100% regarding the current state of Idiocracy. Counties with the highest use of Obama Care subsidies voted for Trump. Go figure.
Bob,
I usually avoid commenting on non audio matters, particularly on those involving politics or people traditions. However, considering that this thread is mostly sailing on people ignorance about Norway, a lovely country of friendly people which is at the pool position of the Human Development Index and many other similar indexes related to life quality, I break my rules. Norway had strong drinking and drunkenness traditions and are fighting them as they find best. What could be a common news article in Norway, probably intended to remember people they should not drink and drive, becomes a sensationalist article in other cultures.
FIY, if I did not misread it due to the single glass of wine I had at yesterday dinner
Thanks for the perspective, Francisco.
The GOP and Trump have successfully exploited 'culture wars' and white identity politics to make people vote against their own economic interests.
Nailed it. His Twitter War with LaVar Ball is right on point with the identity politics. There were 5 groups that voted Trump: I hate taxes taxes, I hate Hillary, I hate abortion, I hate socialism and I'm deplorable. If Trump can't deliver taxes, he'll have to ramp up the identity politics.
In terms of culture wars, here is what a real conservative said:
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
Barry Goldwater
(Not that I am against Christians, I am a Catholic myself, but keep the culture wars out of government please.)
While I don't appreciate all of Goldwater's stances either, I wish back the days when we had a real conservative party in this country, because we absolutely need it (there has to be a true yin and yang on the economic battlefield). Unfortunately, the current GOP is fake. Just look at what they are willing to do with the national debt in the new tax proposal, while they were railing against it under Obama. Hypocrites. All independent economists so far have said that any rosily projected economic growth does not neutralize the negative impact of the tax cuts on government balances.
It all started here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagebrush_Rebellion
...when they found an actor to join them and run for president in order to push their agenda.