Power Hungry?

[agencal]

I have a set of exqusite midi 3.0 and driving them with CH L1 pre and M1.1 stereo power(350w 4 ohms). My Kharma dealer says Kharmas are very power hungry and i sould go for the mono version of M1.1. I asked CH customer service and they advised to go mono but use a two set of speaker cables and biamp the speaker. In that way you will drive one speaker with one amp but from two binding posts which wil give roughly 350w to base + 350w to mid and highs totally 700w per channell. They say in taht set up i will have more refined sound with more seperation,soındstage and detail. When i look at Kharma exqusite mono power amps they are 800w in 4 ohm. Does this mean Kharmas are power hungry? Sould i go to that mono biamp route?
Thanks

 

[iaxel]

I have a set of exqusite midi 3.0 and driving them with CH L1 pre and M1.1 stereo power(350w 4 ohms). My Kharma dealer says Kharmas are very power hungry and i sould go for the mono version of M1.1. I asked CH customer service and they advised to go mono but use a two set of speaker cables and biamp the speaker. In that way you will drive one speaker with one amp but from two binding posts which wil give roughly 350w to base + 350w to mid and highs totally 700w per channell. They say in taht set up i will have more refined sound with more seperation,soındstage and detail. When i look at Kharma exqusite mono power amps they are 800w in 4 ohm. Does this mean Kharmas are power hungry? Sould i go to that mono biamp route?
Thanks

I'm not familiar with the Exquisite Midi 3.0 but I own the Elegance db11s and I don't find them power hungry.
I owned the CH A1.5 and I now drive them with a ~40W class A amp and I find I'm not loosing any grip (the overall sound is much improved (from the CH) but that is unrelated to this topic).

The load is ~6ohms average with 89dB, which is not a difficult load to drive and works very well with tube and tube-like amplifiers.

 

[agencal]

I'm not familiar with the Exquisite Midi 3.0 but I own the Elegance db11s and I don't find them power hungry.
I owned the CH A1.5 and I now drive them with a ~40W class A amp and I find I'm not loosing any grip (the overall sound is much improved (from the CH) but that is unrelated to this topic).

The load is ~6ohms average with 89dB, which is not a difficult load to drive and works very well with tube and tube-like amplifiers.

Thank you for the reply..So you thing there may be a better match than ch electronics for kharma. Which class A are you using and what is the sonic differences compare to ch ?
Thanks

 

[iaxel]

Thank you for the reply..So you thing there may be a better match than ch electronics for kharma. Which class A are you using and what is the sonic differences compare to ch ?
Thanks

It's a bit OT, but yes, I've found Aries Cerat a better match than CH for my Kharma on my setup. YMMV.
In general, I'm finding Aries Cerat designs and sound a revelation in high-end audio.
Naturally, a ~40W amp, is ONLY a 40W amp and if you play loud in a (very) large room - it could be an issue with <90dB speaker.

 

[audiobomber]

I have a set of exqusite midi 3.0 and driving them with CH L1 pre and M1.1 stereo power(350w 4 ohms). My Kharma dealer says Kharmas are very power hungry and i sould go for the mono version of M1.1. I asked CH customer service and they advised to go mono but use a two set of speaker cables and biamp the speaker. In that way you will drive one speaker with one amp but from two binding posts which wil give roughly 350w to base + 350w to mid and highs totally 700w per channell. They say in taht set up i will have more refined sound with more seperation,soındstage and detail. When i look at Kharma exqusite mono power amps they are 800w in 4 ohm. Does this mean Kharmas are power hungry? Sould i go to that mono biamp route?
Thanks

Your speakers are quite sensitive (90dB), which means they will play loud even with a low powered amplifier. But they're 4-ohm nominal, which means they are current hungry. An amp that can't supply sufficient current, or supply current quickly enough to meet sudden transients, will cause current clipping. Current clipping does not cause ugly distortion like voltage clipping, but it will negatively impact the sound, i.e. loose bass, strident highs, collapsed soundstage.

I would think your amp should be quite capable, but with difficult speakers, there may indeed be an advantage to higher current capability. You don't need amps with a higher power rating, therefore I'd be more inclined to try vertical bi-amping rather than monoblocks. In general lower powered amps have fewer parts and can be more refined, given similar design.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I have a set of exqusite midi 3.0 and driving them with CH L1 pre and M1.1 stereo power(350w 4 ohms). My Kharma dealer says Kharmas are very power hungry and i sould go for the mono version of M1.1. I asked CH customer service and they advised to go mono but use a two set of speaker cables and biamp the speaker. In that way you will drive one speaker with one amp but from two binding posts which wil give roughly 350w to base + 350w to mid and highs totally 700w per channell. They say in taht set up i will have more refined sound with more seperation,soındstage and detail. When i look at Kharma exqusite mono power amps they are 800w in 4 ohm. Does this mean Kharmas are power hungry? Sould i go to that mono biamp route?
Thanks

Here are the same speakers if im not mistaken playing on 32 Watts

 

[Kingrex]

If I was you're audio dealer, I would tell you the same thing too. Why not sell you a second amplifier, and put a bunch of money in my pocket. It won't hurt anything to buy a second amplifier and vertically biamp your speakers. It may give a sense of ease. Question is, what started the conversation with your dealer. Were you having trouble driving them. Unable to get to a volume you liked in your room? Do you have dedicated 10 awg wires feeding the amps. Are you starving the amp. Biamping wont help if thats whats going on.

 

[agencal]

Here are the same speakers if im not mistaken playing on 32 Watts

Yes 32w will give sound but after all we are all seeking the upper potencial of our speakers.

 

[agencal]

If I was you're audio dealer, I would tell you the same thing too. Why not sell you a second amplifier, and put a bunch of money in my pocket. It won't hurt anything to buy a second amplifier and vertically biamp your speakers. It may give a sense of ease. Question is, what started the conversation with your dealer. Were you having trouble driving them. Unable to get to a volume you liked in your room? Do you have dedicated 10 awg wires feeding the amps. Are you starving the amp. Biamping wont help if thats whats going on.

Ahahaha you are righr

Thats why i am asking here. Some peopke tries a lot and have things to tell you. I just wanted to learn if there is any one has experience.
Ofcaurse there is a sound right now and it is great but i have experinces as well.
I had fıcal sopra and it was quite an efficient speaker and i was in kow with them with a class d amp. They had a great empedance wave and when i bougt a d’dostino which was doubling power grom 8 to 1 ohms speaker became something different.
Now who ever asks me sopra 2 i say needs doublibg power amp. This does not mean it can not give a pleasent sound without that amp but i will always know there is a potantial. So i am asking if i am missing something.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Yes 32w will give sound but after all we are all seeking the upper potencial of our speakers.

Sure thats why i provided the link .
Upper potential is not found in power alone thats for sure .

Engagement is what its about ..

afaic

 

[andromedaaudio]

To me personally .
If power is what your after the gryphon Apex is probably the transistor Apex

 

[Kingrex]

Ahahaha you are righr

Thats why i am asking here. Some peopke tries a lot and have things to tell you. I just wanted to learn if there is any one has experience.
Ofcaurse there is a sound right now and it is great but i have experinces as well.
I had fıcal sopra and it was quite an efficient speaker and i was in kow with them with a class d amp. They had a great empedance wave and when i bougt a d’dostino which was doubling power grom 8 to 1 ohms speaker became something different.
Now who ever asks me sopra 2 i say needs doublibg power amp. This does not mean it can not give a pleasent sound without that amp but i will always know there is a potantial. So i am asking if i am missing something.

If you bought a second matching stereo amp and biamped, it will generally give a sense of ease. But that is partly based on how the speaker crossover is designed. If biamping allows the speaker to go from 4 ohm load to 8 ohms, the amps may respond positivly. Your also doubling the power. Could be a good thing.
But you never answered what your plugging the amps into. If you have insufficient power at the rack, a second amp may cause the opposite to happen. It could become compressed and flat.