Reference Turntable, The Step Beyond
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I talked to my tonearm guy already. This custom armbase was done for the EMT banana arm and the tt suspension frame is needed to be drilled. He has not a template for the SME mount. I think it is best to have a fabricator do it overthere to make exact measurements for you.
Kindest regards,
Tang
I was trying to look for an easy way out. Looks like I will have to get some work done. Thanks for looking into it Tang.
I like your concepts.
Dear Tang. I have listed your video showing Ortofon 297 with Atlas on EMT-927. Now, the record was originally recorded in mono. Did you played it with mono cartridge? In my opinion Orotofon 297 is particularly great arm for mono cartridges.
For all who contributed to this interesting thread.
I have really learned a lot by reading and listening to the important experiences of all of you, especially since I have recently incorporated an EMT-927 that works incredibly with the help of a great friend and technician from Germany.
Throughout my life, I have had belt and idler tts. I currently own Clearaudio Statement with its original tangential arm, Thorens 124 MK II with plinth and NORMA arm, Garrard 301 also with plinth and NORMA arm. I have used Oracle Delphi, Linn Lp-12, etc, etc. for years ...
Currently, my EMT-927 is equipped with two arms, one is Ortofon 297 in which I am using a Miyabi Mono cartridge with a headshell specially manufactured by Miyabi, and the second arm is a Fidelity Research FR-66 with a stereo Tedeska capsule. My EM&-927 is completed with the original Phono EQ EMT-319ST. The Ortofon 297 is with original wire (changed using modern pure silver but the original one was better) Both arms are connected to EMT-319 with selective mechanical key. My reference Phono EQ was Allnic H-5000 deeply modified and upgraded, but I found the performance of EMT-319 really good and I love this combo of 927 + 139.
For my, reproduction of mono Lp is very important and I find the performance of Ortofon 297 with Miyabi very satisfactorily. It creates a deep and great sound stage. But I am not totally satisfied with my second arm FR-66 with Tedeska. The stereo sound does not have the same mono sound body and depth, and I would like to equate it to the mono. But I prefer to reproduce stereo Lp on EMT than Clearaudio. I have read about Tang's experience with his 14 "Axiom arm with great interest and I am very interested when I read that he got the same result as Ortofon 297 but with more details ... Very interesting ... to consider ...
I have really learned a lot by reading and listening to the important experiences of all of you, especially since I have recently incorporated an EMT-927 that works incredibly with the help of a great friend and technician from Germany.
Throughout my life, I have had belt and idler tts. I currently own Clearaudio Statement with its original tangential arm, Thorens 124 MK II with plinth and NORMA arm, Garrard 301 also with plinth and NORMA arm. I have used Oracle Delphi, Linn Lp-12, etc, etc. for years ...
Currently, my EMT-927 is equipped with two arms, one is Ortofon 297 in which I am using a Miyabi Mono cartridge with a headshell specially manufactured by Miyabi, and the second arm is a Fidelity Research FR-66 with a stereo Tedeska capsule. My EM&-927 is completed with the original Phono EQ EMT-319ST. The Ortofon 297 is with original wire (changed using modern pure silver but the original one was better) Both arms are connected to EMT-319 with selective mechanical key. My reference Phono EQ was Allnic H-5000 deeply modified and upgraded, but I found the performance of EMT-319 really good and I love this combo of 927 + 139.
For my, reproduction of mono Lp is very important and I find the performance of Ortofon 297 with Miyabi very satisfactorily. It creates a deep and great sound stage. But I am not totally satisfied with my second arm FR-66 with Tedeska. The stereo sound does not have the same mono sound body and depth, and I would like to equate it to the mono. But I prefer to reproduce stereo Lp on EMT than Clearaudio. I have read about Tang's experience with his 14 "Axiom arm with great interest and I am very interested when I read that he got the same result as Ortofon 297 but with more details ... Very interesting ... to consider ...
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Welcome to WBF Dante you have a beautiful 927! Like you mono reproduction is very important to me too. I have an SME 3012-r and EMT 997 on my 927. I recommend and vintage 997 in place of the FR and EMT cartridges. I have a decent collection of 78 rpms and with the 997 I can easily switch between a TMD 25 and the TND 65 for 78 and then TSD 25 for stereo.
david
Hi Dante,
I never played mono cart on 297. I am not really into spu and mono. I find with good setup a good stereo cart can do pretty much what mono can and more in other areas. My preference in sound is also not into big thick sound. I am into natural clarity, resolution of tape but with soul.
All my time with 927 has been with mc carts. I used emt headshell when using ortofon 297. I did not find the 297 work as well as my Axiom. And the adaptability to different modern mc carts involves finding a proper headshell all the time with 297. Just more variables. The Axiom XL does give more resolution than the 297. It has a longer arm wand than a normal Axiom to accommodate for a lengthier pivot mount of the 927. My 927 does not come with a phono builtin. Most 927 owners I know use different phono and claim better performance. My fellow Thai audiophile Mr.T uses Thales Statement arm specially designed for 927 with GFS and Kondo phono. He likes the combo very much. You might want to consider this arm also if seeking for a modern arm for 927.
Just to
Dear Tango.
Many tks for your fast and kind feedback.
Just for your information, my current main speakers are Wilson Alexx but I have used during last 30 years Tannoy Autograph with Silver Monitors 15". I love them, I love these vintage sound, I love to play original mono ALP, 33CX, LXT, LM, etc... mono sound from '50 and '60.
Last Oct I had been in Guangzhou and I had the opportunity to listen to some Cessaro speakers in a dealer office. I listen, Art Deco, Liszt, and Gamma II with Incredibles 2 x 2 x 18" subwoofers. Before the appointment, I carefully selected several LPs from my collection and I flew from Buenos Aires to China to listen to these spectacular types of equipment. Really was a dream. During this past April, I went ago to the same place but at this time with my own mono cartridges and my loved mono Lps. Frankly speaking, the experience was not so good as the first time with stereo Lps. I have used during many years vintage Ortofon SPU, and now I am using old Miyaybi mono and Tedeska new mono cartridges. If you still did not discover mono' world, I'd like to recommend to listen to Tedeska mono. Recently this small company launched a new splendid mono cartridge and the performance is simply amazing. This is not old, vintage, big, deep sound, this is full of clarity, resolution, and magic tone and nuance.
I will take careful note about your recommendation. In my opinion, FR-66 is not capable to take out the best of EMT-927 for stereo sound. I will consider your Axiom XL or Thales Statement. In the case of GFS, I have used in my Clearaudio Statement with tangential TT1 but replaced by also Tedeska stereo cartridge.
B Rgds
Dante
Dear Tango.
Many tks for your fast and kind feedback.
Just for your information, my current main speakers are Wilson Alexx but I have used during last 30 years Tannoy Autograph with Silver Monitors 15". I love them, I love these vintage sound, I love to play original mono ALP, 33CX, LXT, LM, etc... mono sound from '50 and '60.
Last Oct I had been in Guangzhou and I had the opportunity to listen to some Cessaro speakers in a dealer office. I listen, Art Deco, Liszt, and Gamma II with Incredibles 2 x 2 x 18" subwoofers. Before the appointment, I carefully selected several LPs from my collection and I flew from Buenos Aires to China to listen to these spectacular types of equipment. Really was a dream. During this past April, I went ago to the same place but at this time with my own mono cartridges and my loved mono Lps. Frankly speaking, the experience was not so good as the first time with stereo Lps. I have used during many years vintage Ortofon SPU, and now I am using old Miyaybi mono and Tedeska new mono cartridges. If you still did not discover mono' world, I'd like to recommend to listen to Tedeska mono. Recently this small company launched a new splendid mono cartridge and the performance is simply amazing. This is not old, vintage, big, deep sound, this is full of clarity, resolution, and magic tone and nuance.
I will take careful note about your recommendation. In my opinion, FR-66 is not capable to take out the best of EMT-927 for stereo sound. I will consider your Axiom XL or Thales Statement. In the case of GFS, I have used in my Clearaudio Statement with tangential TT1 but replaced by also Tedeska stereo cartridge.
B Rgds
Dante
Dante. These Tedeska carts (https://www.tedeska.com/products/stereo/) models are even more confusing than the vdh. Which one catch your ears most. And where do the stand price wise. Mounting is sme spu?
Kind regards,
Tang
Hi Dante,
I am a big fan of Mono, using several carts on the R-80 and other tables.
On the R 80 I am using the first ever built SME with a bakelite EMT OFD-25 playing through a true mono Miyajima SUT enabling matching input and output coils in the best way posssible. Going this path the Mono signal (one side) will be transported on both channels without need pressing the Mono button at the preamp.
a monoraul step up transformer on which you can regulate gain impedance in this way realizing the ideal frequency balance. Stereo is changed to monaural. This is the ultimate Mono-SUT for everyone seriously working with Mono Vinyl especially when you are using true mono carts like the old bakalite monos of EMT and Ortofon.
https://audiocirc.com/2016/07/11/the-first-sme/
Best
E.
I am a big fan of Mono, using several carts on the R-80 and other tables.
On the R 80 I am using the first ever built SME with a bakelite EMT OFD-25 playing through a true mono Miyajima SUT enabling matching input and output coils in the best way posssible. Going this path the Mono signal (one side) will be transported on both channels without need pressing the Mono button at the preamp.
a monoraul step up transformer on which you can regulate gain impedance in this way realizing the ideal frequency balance. Stereo is changed to monaural. This is the ultimate Mono-SUT for everyone seriously working with Mono Vinyl especially when you are using true mono carts like the old bakalite monos of EMT and Ortofon.
https://audiocirc.com/2016/07/11/the-first-sme/
Best
E.
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Reinhard Thoress says Tedeska is the best cartridge. I believe they start about $3500 USD.
We both need cartridgeholics anonymous, been aggressively buying vintage mm's for the past several months!
david
Here's Mr. T's system that Tang mentioned.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/american-sound-as-2000-installations-far-east-mr-ts.26053/
I think you'll enjoy this system too.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/american-sound-as-2000-installations-far-east-andrew.26055/
david
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Just to remember that the Crystal Dreamline is a great cable for the SME 3012R - IMHO its full and detailed sound complements very well the fast sound of this tonearm. I tried it after seeing your photos and really appreciated it.
But interested people should beware that the horrible sounding chinese Crystal Dreamline copy has been showing regularly in the second hand market.
