Ron’s New System
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No Ron, I mean your memory of the playback of this track in your room...
You asked about "the real thing."
That still does not answer - do you think one is not representative of your system while another is? As an iphone video skeptic, if you think sharing iphone videos to listen to systems is a batty idea, does the Shure make it representative. Or, are they both representative to get an idea. The fact that Shure has more resolution than the iphone, or shows a different attribute, is not the answer.
This iPhone mic recording sounds pretty representative
tonally of what I hear in the room.
Carole King "Will You Still Love Me Tomorow"
tonally of what I hear in the room.
Carole King "Will You Still Love Me Tomorow"
I understand. That is because I do not have an answer yet.
I don't know how to say which is more representative when one gets an "A" on resolution and a "C" on tonal balance, and the other gets a "C" on resolution and an "A" on tonal balance.
I think this production tape of Tapestry has the greatest harmony separation between Carole King and and James Taylor on "Will You Still Love Me Tomorow" that I have heard. This separation does not come through on the iPhone recording using the internal mic.
The tape is quieter, more relaxed, and just more emotionally-involving than either of the two Tapestry LPs I compared the tape to tonight.
The tape is quieter, more relaxed, and just more emotionally-involving than either of the two Tapestry LPs I compared the tape to tonight.
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Kedar, you're going to hate this comment, but I am beginning to wonder if the linear-tracking tonearms are better able than pivoting tonearms to mimic the sense of relaxed-ness I hear consistently from tape.
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I think it's great that that process worked for you!
Perhaps you could elaborate on this in your system thread, or start a new thread describing how one goes about using videos to enable friends to assist with speaker set-up remotely.
Perhaps you could chronicle the iterative process by which the videos and discussions with friends resulted in incremental changes to your speaker positioning and yielded sonic improvements.
Ron, for my part there is a persistent upper base boom present in this particular video , perhaps a second recording utilising the MV88 might prove illuminating .
You asked about "the real thing."
The real thing is that which you are trying to record. In this case, the system playing live in the room. Which recording reminds you more of the way the system actually sounds from your listening seat?
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Ron, how can one configuration get an A on resolution and not do well on total balance? Poor total balance, that is one that does not reflect the way the system sounds at the listening seat, shows that is not resolving enough. Accurate total balance is a reflection of the transparency of the recording. Your grading scale makes no sense to me so I’m having a difficult time following the discussion about which video sounds more like what you hear from the listening seat.
Peter, does your “total balance” mean the same as Ron's “tonal balance”? I’m having difficulty following now.
Btw, I’ve heard kit that excels at resolution but is less forthcoming with distinguishing instrumental timbre as documented by the recording (original ML CLS's for one). Ron's description in post #1685 makes sense to me in that context.
For me, the term “resolution“ is all encompassing. I don’t think a system can be highly resolving if the tonal balance seems off. The gauge is live music. There is a range in which a violin or piano sounds natural. If the tone of that instrument does not sound right on a system, the system in my mind cannot be highly resolving. I understand that some might consider this to be controversial.
i think "resolution" (highly resolving), correct tonal balance, and realism are not interchangeable terms. they relate parts of the musical aspects of the sound.
you can have high resolution, yet lack tonal balance or realism. these things can vary from one reproduction experience to the next one. or even vary with live music experiences. although live experiences are by definition 'real'. but some live experiences are less able to be easily consumed than other live experiences. maybe also varying with the experience of the listener. not every mind processes information equally.
just my viewpoint.
i don't agree there is 'correct' and 'incorrect' as absolutes. but i could see how others view it differently. or have a particular mind set where it does become a binary environment. all the way on or off. a state of mind. expectations met or not.
how does one improve things if there are not gradations of progress? or even ways to view these different parts of progress?
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Peter,
We established both publicly and privately several years ago that you and I simply have irreconcilable definitions of "resolution." See https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/what-do-we-mean-by-resolution.33785/
Resolution, to me, is a substantially objective concept, analogous to pixels in video (more pixels per inch equals greater resolution).
Resolution, tonal balance and transparency are three discrete attributes. I consider resolution and transparency to be related (unclear, ill-defined sound cannot be very transparent), and tonal balance is totally separate and relates to subjectively perceived frequency response.
I think "poor tonal balance . . . shows that [the system] is not resolving enough. Accurate tonal balance is a reflection of the transparency of the recording" is a confused mash-up of these three terms.
That is interesting. Thank you for this comment.
Do you hear it on any of the other videos I posted yesterday?
I think that while I am playing the stereo system at my normal listening volume, that volume might be overloading the microphones(?)
Or replacing his temporary DD TT with something better !
It is funny you say this. For a while I had thought the same thing. My experiences in systems with LT arms were consistently better than systems with pivoted arms. I had always taken for granted that the arms were setup correctly in every system given the $$$ tag of the system.
Coming full circle, I have come to realize that the additional complexity of proper setup of the pivoted arms is what was left on the table. When revisiting these same systems with the arm properly setup resulted in no distinction in performance. In fact, in half the cases the pivoted arms were superior