And it’s so pretty, the preferred drive of John Gotti and Liberace
Bling ! Bling !
The Schiit Yggdrasil 2 DAC
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Bling ! Bling !From Jason:
“2. It's possible that we may have to make chassis changes to ensure more upgradability in the future for products like Yggdrasil; of course, if we do this, it will also be offered as an upgrade. Yggdrasil is expensive, despite any protests by the car-priced-DAC crowd otherwise; we're going to do all we can to protect your investment in it. Don't worry, there's nothing imminent, and, if we do it, we'll make it worth your while, like maybe adding a remote option at the same time.“
https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...tibit-for-the-masses.2494/page-72#post-253466
Ah, yes, piano is great, here's an enthusiastic post of mine:
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/state-of-the-art-digital.29583/page-13#post-646561
All the Benny Green CDs that I have, mostly based on your recommendations, Joe, are amazing!
Thanks, this post was from April last year.
Interesting:
The pace of DAC/Analog upgrades will likely decrease, until we develop some new DAC technology ourselves.
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This is such a beautifully worded post from Jason, especially that "Yggdrasil is expensive, despite any protests by the car-priced-DAC crowd" - LOL
Absolutely and by a wide margin; and they were all driven by the same transport and cables, in here
I do find the contention that a top level dac has to be “car priced” illogical. The bits and pieces used are not very expensive at all. If very talented people decide they can manage with a lower profit margin by selling direct, and making money by moving many unit’s instead, it is absolutely possible. The HCDC encoding has become quite unimportant, the recordings with very good sound recorded in this format are few, and seem to be a matter of the mastering engineer having the excellent sounding Pacific Microsonics a/d converters on the shelf more than actual releases. When Microsoft bought the process 20 years ago it was ahead of its time, the widespread use of highrez files have made it anecdotal at this point. Even Mark Knopfler (a early adopter) has finally given up on it in his own commercial studio “British Grove Studios “.
The HCDC encoding has become quite unimportant, the recordings with very good sound recorded in this format are few, and seem to be a matter of the mastering engineer having the excellent sounding Pacific Microsonics a/d converters on the shelf more than actual releases. When Microsoft bought the process 20 years ago it was ahead of its time, the widespread use of highrez files have made it anecdotal at this point. Even Mark Knopfler (a early adopter) has finally given up on it in his own commercial studio “British Grove Studios “.
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I have a dozen or so Reference Recordings HDCDs as well has a few others. The Berkeley does a superb decoding those and as much as I would like to get something in the Yiggy's price range and put a few $k in my pocket by selling the Berkeley I'm not sure I would want to give that up.I do find the contention that a top level dac has to be “car priced” illogical. The bits and pieces used are not very expensive at all. If very talented people decide they can manage with a lower profit margin by selling direct, and making money by moving many unit’s instead, it is absolutely possible.
My Extreme is arriving next week so I'll listen for a while and then 15 day trial a Yiggy. I'm skeptical though.
I don’t know if the RR From the Age of Swing was recorded with HDCD, but the 24/176.4 transfer I have of the master tape sounds absolutely incredible through the Yggy, way better than the great 2lp set I still have. The LP Is now just another dust collector.
Regretfully according to people who have gone trough the process of breaking a new dac in, 15 days is maybe not even enough
And i do believe dac’s are very system and taste dependent, some will find anything less saturated than a warm tube dac boring, others need hyper detailed to be satisfied We can apply that reasoning to any electronic equipment in audio. I feel curious why people buy a "logic cost" DAC and do not apply the same line of thought to amplifiers, for example.
Sometime ago a friend come when I was driving Quad 606 mk2 directly from the with Vidaldi DAC. He was really astonished that the 606 could sound so good.
The law of diminishing returns applies to audio electronics, but audiophiles apply a reverse law twice to create an exponential law on audio investment!
Sure Fransisco. I would say the parts used for large classical amplifiers are substantially more expensive than what you need to make a good dac, in dacs you pay a lot for the name and reputation/marketing /talent of the designers. One thing i find prohibiting for me personally is the rate of depreciation in digital, the very expensive servers and dac of today are bargain bin offers insider few years. Look at the Trinity dac that was the rave of the business a few years ago, who is talking about it now ? And look at the prices for some of the older DCS gear. The development is just so fast in digital
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Milan, you could always buy a dac and, y'know, stick with it. Even more so if you liked it ahead of buying it. My Eera dac is a decade old design, and if it had a Digital In jack, I wouldn't look at any other dac to use with proposed streamer move. What was good in 2009/10 is still good today.
That being said, i was thinking “bullshit” when one reviewer described the casework of the Yggy as handsome. I was expecting something like Oppo or Bel Canto. But it is actually well made and has a high quality feel, even if i would have preferred a more classical size for stacking in a system.
I do believe you are cheating yourself out of potential improvements that way Marc, but trying something with an open mind is not going to kill anyone, even financially
Sure Fransisco. I would say the parts used for large classical amplifiers are substantially more expensive than what you need to make a good dac, in dacs you pay a lot for the name and reputation/marketing /talent of the designers. One thing i find prohibiting for me personally is the rate of depreciation in digital, the very expensive servers and dac if today are bargain bin offers insider few years. Look at the Trinity dac that was the rave of the business a few years ago, who is talking about it now ? And look at the prices for some of the older DCS gear. The development is just so fast in digital
Prices of parts for classical amplifiers can be very reduced, the same way those used in DACs. IMHO the rate of depreciation of digital is also due to the very fast moving standards, that are only settling now. The Trinity DAC was a good product with small distribution, no marketing, a typical one man company.
BTW, I am discovering the hard way that expensive current Lamm electronics depreciates more than current expensive DACs ...
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