USB cable recommended?

[Republicoftexas69]

B.O.B!

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Again, ones and zeros, on and off. Voltage on voltage off. Thats it. As long as the wire has enough bandwith (they all do) they will sound the same since there is no audio effect of the cable at all involved. Its science. Same thing as morse code on a telegram cable thousands of miles long, but the pulsations are measued in nanoseconds because its a computer instead of a guy using his finger for every pulse. It's science. If there was actually any sonic difference It may be because a very cheap wire did not have enogh bandwith to support the stream and thus trasfer rates would be throttled, but knowing modern transfer rates of USB abd betworking cable that would be virtually impossible.

B.O.B.

 

[Wised]

No cable carries "ones and zeroes". All digital cables USB included carry electrical impulses (which correspond to ones and zeros) and therefore are subject to noise and distortion similar to analogue cables.

I have compared a number of USB cables in different price ranges and the differences in sound quality have been similar to what I've experienced when comparing interconnects, speaker cables, and power cables. As with analogue cables the higher end, more expensive USB cables have generally sounded much better than basic, inexpensive USB cables.


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BTW, did you notice that all of those responses are from people that want to sell you cables? I don't see a single a single science degree among them!

 

[Cellcbern]

BTW, did you notice that all of those responses are from people that want to sell you cables? I don't see a single a single science degree among them!

Which means what-that they are lying about how things work? I’ve known several high end designers over the years, and all were able to separate the science from their marketing copy, and give technical explanations that were not skewed to their products. By the way, why would you expect a “simple scientist” to know as much about cables as a cable designer?

 

[Anyoldears]

they will sound the same since there is no audio effect of the cable at all involved. Its science.

No. Its your assumptions, because you haven't had the experience of doing the tests. Do the tests, and then you can say with authority what you heard. You are just assuming at the moment and doing so incorrectly. Most people here have done the tests and found a difference. If you disagree, maybe ASR would be a better forum for you

 

[Republicoftexas69]

BTW, did you notice that all of those responses are from people that want to sell you cables? I don't see a single a single science degree among them!

And you know this how?

 

[Republicoftexas69]

No. Its your assumptions, because you haven't had the experience of doing the tests. Do the tests, and then you can say with authority what you heard. You are just assuming at the moment and doing so incorrectly. Most people here have done the tests and found a difference. If you disagree, maybe ASR would be a better forum for you

FACT!!

 

[Wised]

Which means what-that they are lying about how things work? I’ve known several high end designers over the years, and all were able to separate the science from their marketing copy, and give technical explanations that were not skewed to their products. By the way, why would you expect a “simple scientist” to know as much about cables as a cable designer?

Which means that at best they exagerate the issue. The fact that the venom of the Sea serpent is the deadliest poison does no mean you should walk around with its antidote in your pocket. Again, if it held water, there are literally thousands of scolastic engineering papers on the subject yet none are quoted.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Which means that at best they exagerate the issue. The fact that the venom of the Sea serpent is the deadliest poison does no mean you should walk around with its antidote in your pocket. Again, if it held water, there are literally thousands of scolastic engineering papers on the subject yet none are quoted.

Oh boy.

 

[italia]

 

[Wised]

Which means that at best they exagerate the issue. The fact that the venom of the Sea serpent is the deadliest poison does no mean you should walk around with its antidote in your pocket. Again, if it held water, there are literally thousands of scolastic engineering papers on the subject yet none are quoted.

Here is the scholastica link:
Show me 5 of the 32k that show that its an issue and then we can comment further.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Here is the scholastica link:
Show me 5 of the 32k that show that its an issue and then we can comment further.
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ASR called they miss you.

 

[treitz3]

Wised, good evening to you. The fact of the matter is that what you are attempting to do here will not work. You are years behind in your argument. Kind of like an elementary school student attempting to educate a college professer.

Many of us here won't even feel the need to respond because we have been there, done that and have also learned that digital is clearly not "just ones and zeros".

You have much to learn, honestly. Get some real facts before you attempt to make yourself appear to the membership here worse than you already have.

With that said, you have thrown this thread completely off topic. Let's get back to the subject of recommendations for USB cables. If you want to continue digging your own grave, start another thread but do NOT continue on this thread, unless you have a recommendation for a USB cable.

Tom

 

[Wised]

ASR called they miss you.

Hey, I do have "nice" cables! Kimbers, Mogami' XLR's, Ortofon 9X's. I even "bicable" my speakers However, But I'm also keenly aware about the physics them and acknowledge that after a certain point it's more eye candy and ego compensation than anything else. For example my Kimber 12 series, internally biwired sound no better than any other multistrand cable of the same gauge, but they look frigging amazing. Decent, balanced XLR's are superior to any RCA cable even if the RCA is made of solid silver, gold coated condutors. And so on. I don't like snake oil. I have a very pricey superbly sounding, painstakingly curated sustem, but, every piece has been chosen bcause it has a proven, measurable performance advantage.

 

[jbrrp1]

Hey, I do have "nice" cables! Kimbers, Mogami' XLR's, Ortofon 9X's. I even "bicable" my speakers However, But I'm also keenly aware about the physics them and acknowledge that after a certain point it's more eye candy and ego compensation than anything else. For example my Kimber 12 series, internally biwired sound no better than any other multistrand cable of the same gauge, but they look frigging amazing. Decent, balanced XLR's are superior to any RCA cable even if the RCA is made of solid silver, gold coated condutors. And so on. I don't like snake oil. I have a very pricey superbly sounding, painstakingly curated sustem, but, every piece has been chosen bcause it has a proven, measurable performance advantage.

OK. But have you ever actually gained listening experience with a variety of USB cables? Until you've actually listened, you don't really have an opinion (to paraphrase Ivor Tiefenbrun).

 

[treitz3]

Hey, I do have "nice" cables! Kimbers, Mogami' XLR's, Ortofon 9X's. I even "bicable" my speakers However, But I'm also keenly aware about the physics them and acknowledge that after a certain point it's more eye candy and ego compensation than anything else. For example my Kimber 12 series, internally biwired sound no better than any other multistrand cable of the same gauge, but they look frigging amazing. Decent, balanced XLR's are superior to any RCA cable even if the RCA is made of solid silver, gold coated condutors. And so on. I don't like snake oil. I have a very pricey superbly sounding, painstakingly curated sustem, but, every piece has been chosen bcause it has a proven, measurable performance advantage.

Okay. As mentioned, if you want to chat about this, then start another thread. These posts are off topic. Please consider this a formal warning.

Once again, let's get back to the thread topic.

Tom

 

[Wised]

OK. But have you ever actually gained listening experience with a variety of USB cables? Until you've actually listened, you don't really have an opinion (to paraphrase Ivor Tiefenbrun).

Of course. I'm old.

 

[Wised]

Of course. I'm old.

All USB 2.0 has the same ability (bandwidth) to transmit uncompresswd High Def multichannel audio. So as long as you don't use that 15 y/o USB 1.0. that has been sitting in a drawer, you should be fine A professional, industrial grade USB 2.0 or higher cable should not cost more than 20 dollars.

 

[treitz3]

I don't like to do this, but after being formally warned, you proceeded to carry on. Your actions here have consequences.

You will now be enjoying an involuntary 3 day vacation. Please review the Terms of Service during this time. If you insist on breaking the rules and post again on this thread without suggesting a USB cable? Your next involuntary vacation will be much longer. Stay on topic!

Here is a direct link to the Terms of Service >>> https://www.whatsbestforum.com/help/terms/

Tom

 

[Tatomek7]

Can you tell more about the differences between these two better cables and their characteristics in your system? What did you connect them to?

It took me some time to understand better differences between QSAL Infinity Gamma and KBL Extrema USB cables. Finally I was not able to decide which is better. The comparison reminds me comparisons between top level digital and vinyl rigs. Which is better? Depends on taste, mood, recording and what kind of music you like to play.
Before you decide to test QSA be prepared for steep and painful process of burn in which takes minimum 1xx hours. Extrema also needs time but the changes are not that big from one day to another.

QSAL IG and KBL Extrema have relatively high price tag and when compared to less expensive cables, you hear what you pay for as reproduction is much, much better when compared to 1K - 2K$ level.

Despite similar price tag both cables sounds different and both have strong advantages, QSA is at first glance more spectacular as creates bigger soundstage and you have impression is more dynamic, QSA also shines in treble area. Extrema is better at the bass, midrange and better replicates voices which sounds more natural. Why I can't decide, which one is better? As an example soundstage of QSA is big, really big with lot of space between instruments, Extrema has smaller one, but better defined. I like both of them

Whatever I wrote above about strong points of both cables it doesn't mean the other one the "weaker points" are weak, it's just not that much spectacular in comparison to the other one. Matter of taste.

During the test USB cables connected DAC Lampizator Pacific 1 or Pacific 3 with DYI Taiko server.