V.Y.G.E.R indian signature & VYDA cables.

Also you can keep your Kuzma and go with the Dava. Much cheaper. But don’t think it works that well with CH
 
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Hi VYGER Indian Signature MKIV Owners,

Can someone tell me the following;

1) Required footprint area for this TT, it's actual height (floor to top of the platter) and it's total weight (just the TT & Tonearm i.e. not including the separate standard (not Titan) Compressor Unit) ?

2) Any negatives for this TT (total set-up i.e. including the Tonearm, standard (not Titan) Compressor Unit that comes with the TT) ?

3) Anybody also owned the Kuzma XL DC with Kuzma 4Point 11" either before or after the owned the VYGER Indian Signature MKIV as a comparison between the two regarding ownership, use, maintaining etc. ?

Hi,
i can try to help...
1 - the require space for the actual footprint including its own arm angles etc is about 70x70cm to be clear of interruptions (i gave it a little bit more)
the height is about 83cm from floor to platter and around 6-7 cm more to the top VTA adjustment knob..
the total weight is a bit tricky because the legs are "empty" and you can choose what to fill them with, for greater stability. Pino from VYGER can suggest to get some quartz send in a plastic bags and fill the gaps to get some more weight, i did something a "bit" heavier...
but lets say its around 100(++)kg excluding the TiTAN of course.

2 - Negatives... mmm, after a lot(!) of turntables, arms, cartridges, phono stages and all that analog holy in my 40years of playing vinyl, this is the BEST TT i ever owned. (i have the top of the line Titan also and a second arm mount) and i had a lot of top game "end of the road" Turntables.
i think from some experience and conversations with Pino- a lot of owners got stumbled with it because of lack of basic (and not so basic) knowledge of accurate and good set up and that what you will need to get if owning one. but i can assure you, when this thing is proper set up (not such a problem really) and taking care of (free of dust and Humidity) with a stable floor and delicate hands, it will not break a sweat and will preform 100% perfect every time! you will not believe how vinyl can sound through it.
like ALL linear arms table systems, it need some attention to set up perfectly or it will not perform! not like a pivot arms that will 99.999 of the times play the vinyl. but not always the music..

3 - unfortunately i didn't had the XL at my possession personally but the 4P 11" I had for 2-3 years operating on several turntables and against a lot of tone arms...(i don't have it anynore, basically because i found better arms and for some specific problem i had with some specific cartridge that "Kuzma" couldn't help me with or didn't had the time... WE. i still think its one hell of a good arm!) be that as it may, i know the XL very well from a good friend of mine who has also AF3P to its side, listening to 4 arms between them including the kuzma new air linear arm...

to make this story very short, i prefer mine (a lot) better :) (being on the TechDas train too myself for a while BTW)

hope that helps a bit.
A.
Thank you 'byrdparis', for a very informative reply. Very much appreciated.
 
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The Kuzma is nowhere compared to vyger. However, if you go vyger the Atlantis is as good as the Indian signature, and requires less footprint and sits on a table. Who knows, it might even be more musical, as a couple of people i know think. Indian looks way cooler though. Also, your records and set up have to reflect the potential of vyger

Ps: i do think stabi M is good from a footprint, cat proof, high value in the used market and reliability perspective
Thank you 'bonzo75' for your reply. Much appreciated.
 
Thank you 'bonzo75' for your reply. Much appreciated.
Hi 'bonzo75',
I wouldn't consider the Atlantis as it puts me in the same situation as my Kuzma XL DC i.e. need a dedicated table for it. I am looking at a TT with it's own base / legs and is free standing hence the Indian. Also I think the Indian looks far cooler too compared to both the Atlantis and XL DC.

Regarding the Kuzma Stabi M, I considered this TT before I went for the XL DC, but I felt the XL DC both looked much nicer and cooler would also perform as a better TT (have loved owning my XL DC and will most probably miss it dearly) !

Crazy as it is, I am only thinking of changing my XL DC due to it's color (want a silver based TT to go with the rest of my current and future prospective hifi components) and as I mention above, a free standing TT that doesn't need to sit on it's own table or hifi rack !
 
Hi 'bonzo75',
I wouldn't consider the Atlantis as it puts me in the same situation as my Kuzma XL DC i.e. need a dedicated table for it. I am looking at a TT with it's own base / legs and is free standing hence the Indian. Also I think the Indian looks far cooler too compared to both the Atlantis and XL DC.

Regarding the Kuzma Stabi M, I considered this TT before I went for the XL DC, but I felt the XL DC both looked much nicer and cooler would also perform as a better TT (have loved owning my XL DC and will most probably miss it dearly) !

Crazy as it is, I am only thinking of changing my XL DC due to it's color (want a silver based TT to go with the rest of my current and future prospective hifi components) and as I mention above, a free standing TT that doesn't need to sit on it's own table or hifi rack !

Looks are a personal thing, I can only comment on sonics
 
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You know 3-4 people who have sold this highly touted cartridge? I am surprised.

there were 120 orders as of last Jan, surely there are more after that.
 
240kg packed in three wood crates for one turntable.... this is not the heaviest construction we wednace in our industry but it's freaking heavy nonetheless.

It arrived with our courier that picked it up from VYGER in Italy after Pino gave us the thumb up, and after three days it was at my door. forklift from the track to the elevator and neer my door in 10 minutes... and then a two days journey for setting this bad boy up.
Initially Pino and Bjorn promised me that one of them would come to set it up with me, but in our conversations across the months I waited they understood that I'm not in need of any help (not in that department anyway, i guess no one will say i'm sane but that for another thread)... my 20++ experience in audio and analog in particular with A LOT of different turntables, tonearms and cartridges and several Linear arms among them; "Clear audio" different models, Kuzma air, Rockport, and recently CSPORT to mentioned some... so i have a good grasps of this topology and understanding with set up this kind of arms. f
or the turntable itself we guessed it would be ok... the Manual, with Pino and Bjorn attending on their phones for any questions about set up quirks and it was a breeze.
The first day was the Heavy lifting part. 3 big crates full with all the turntable parts, packed carefully by Pino, and lying between many kinds of rapping metrialls.
We took everything out little by little (except the biggest part - the turntable itself with the arm already assembled in the factory), trying to figure it out, but after a few minutes doing that, we saw it was pretty easy and self explanatory.

we continued for the legs first (filling them with quart?z send) and configure them in the listening room with the pistons inside the absorbers system, then with a help from a third person we lifted the turntable part and mounted it on the three pillars. leveling the whole construction with a digital leveling thingie and on with setting up the TITAN electronics and pumps in their place (i bought some double platform with wheels for that stack).
At this moment as Pino mentioned repeatedly through the days we need to stop.

The whole construction needs 24-48 hours to rest and saddle in place before the "final" setup will start again. so, we stopped.
The day after I was starting again.... (48 hours is a very long time for a restless audiophile moron).
The air tubes between the dec and the TITAN are already made by VYGER and were numbered as for the "ins" and "outs" on the TITAN back... so nothing to it. Just run with the diagram on the VYGER manual and you're done.

The "hardest" part is to level everything, set up the arm and the cartridge. but as mentioned above, i had the experience so with Pino help in video chat we achieved the final set up in 1 hour (VERY FAST). checking everything is working properly as easy as pie. The Titan computer does the work and everything appears on its screen, you just enter the desired numbers for tonearm pressure, vacuum etc, and you are done.

The platter is free on air, the arm is the best I've seen and it moves like nothing else I've encountered before. the whole deck plays the first record PERFECTLY on my first try! This last sentence is not common to anyone who had experience with linear arms before.

the sound of the VYGER indian signature is like nothing i heard before, from any turntable! The first cartridge I chose for setting up the new system was the "Sumile" by Murasakino. I thought I'd go with one of my "oldies" until I figured everything was perfect and could move on and test others CR i have in my collection. ending up with the "red sparrow" from Top wing for "end game" to pair with it for the foreseen future. The Sumile is a GREAT cr and it fit the overall VYGER sound wonderfully. every detail is heard loud and clear, trackability is Unbelievable, bass is pounding and amazingly, full of texture and every note, piano, violin or trumpet just flows with such a staddy image! it's almost unreal.

the arm connected to my CH Precision P1 phono stage with VYDA cable ive got from Enrico, all i can say from the little time i had till now, before of any tests for different ones- that this cable is a different league of its own, as the Indian signature is. I hope in the upcoming weeks I will get more and different cables from Enrico to evaluate them on my system and maybe to saddle it up also pairing with my analog.
I have yet to make any comparison with my CSPORT system that I've got next to it, but for now I'm just enjoying my new wonderful "dream" come true.
I'm afraid It will be a very tight month to come, with the new "Clarisys" speaker that will arrive soon, some travels I have soon includinng the Warsaw high end show at the end of october. So I guess the winter will bring "time" to make some more evaluation for different cartridges, analog systems, deveral tonearms I have in hand, cables etc. so more to come, I hope.

some personal notes i need to vent out if i may,
this acquisition was spontaneous as hell! in may when we prepared for munich show i was bummed from the financial and business situation locally in 2023 (post covid inflation and politic problem we have). I didn't think I would get new brands to our portfolio. actually i traveled to the show as i do every year for the last 14... to meet some friends and to be seen. but actually ended up with three four great brands that I am very excited to have. all special and all with some of the greatest people i had the pleasure to call friends after just a few months.
Florian from "Clarisys audio, Felix and Raul from "Fono acustica" Enrico from VYDA cables and of course Pino and Bjorn from VYGER international that started this all self movement for me this year with their turntable i experienced at the show and was amazed! .
I know maybe some of the dealers and customers around the world might look away from VYGER here and there mainly because of some writing and rumors that this behemoth is VERY difficult to set up and run. but no more!
The whole setup might take some time (mostly because it is heavy and needs some time to saddle for all its parts) but there is nothing to it. If you pay attention, have some experience setting up turntables especially with linear arms you will be fine! more so with Pino and Bjorn available all hours of the day for video chatting and help up the wazoo to make you happy and everything.
so i would like to Thank them! they did an AMAZING job and this system is just another league from anything i've heard of had the pleasure of owning.
This is a truly FORMULA 1 experience, nothing short of that. I guess you need to hear it to understand.


In the meantime, it didn't happen if there were no pictures right?!
So here are some :)

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Hi 'byrdparis',
Fantastic pictures of your VYGER Indian Signature and your overall beautiful hifi system ! I bet it sounds absolutely amazing !

Can you possibly tell me for the filling of the TT leg pillars for their weight ballast, what type, grade, grain size etc. and total quantity (in kg) of Quartz Sand did you use and was what you used recommended by VYGER ?
 
Hi 'byrdparis',
Fantastic pictures of your VYGER Indian Signature and your overall beautiful hifi system ! I bet it sounds absolutely amazing !

Can you possibly tell me for the filling of the TT leg pillars for their weight ballast, what type, grade, grain size etc. and total quantity (in kg) of Quartz Sand did you use and was what you used recommended by VYGER ?
Hi.
i guess you saw some of the pictures from the start of this thread, a lot was happening around here since than, but the VYGER stayed :)

regarding the filling of the TT legs, i don't remember exactly what was told my by Pino, but anything that have enough weight and get this legs "more" stable, is good. i use iron bricks each one is 1kg and just build a "domino tower" with a lot of them inside each leg. the main construction is sitting on a string wires above it all so no worry about resonance issues inside the legs or anything.

here is some picture from recently (minus the reel to reel machines) excuse me for the mess... we were during Stavros from Aries Cerat visit :)
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Hi.
i guess you saw some of the pictures from the start of this thread, a lot was happening around here since than, but the VYGER stayed :)

regarding the filling of the TT legs, i don't remember exactly what was told my by Pino, but anything that have enough weight and get this legs "more" stable, is good. i use iron bricks each one is 1kg and just build a "domino tower" with a lot of them inside each leg. the main construction is sitting on a string wires above it all so no worry about resonance issues inside the legs or anything.

here is some picture from recently (minus the reel to reel machines) excuse me for the mess... we were during Stavros from Aries Cerat visit :)
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Thank you for your speedy and detailed reply 'byrdparis'. Much appreciated /\.

Wow, your current hifi system is awesome ! Thank you for sharing with us /\
 
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want a silver based TT to go with the rest of my current and future prospective hifi components
If you want silver, you might want to look at the dCS Varese. It is only 225k GBP, with 5 boxes almost the same height as the Indian signature, and promised to almost sound like analog. As a bonus, you save on all the records.
 
If you want silver, you might want to look at the dCS Varese. It is only 225k GBP, with 5 boxes almost the same height as the Indian signature, and promised to almost sound like analog. As a bonus, you save on all the records.
You may be targeted for legal actions from dCS - watch out.
 
If you want silver, you might want to look at the dCS Varese. It is only 225k GBP, with 5 boxes almost the same height as the Indian signature, and promised to almost sound like analog. As a bonus, you save on all the records.
£225k..... lol.....If I sold whatever TT set-up I had plus all of my lovely records I would have to go for a nice analogue sounding digital set-up !
 

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