Velodyne - Broken!! Exploded Fuses!
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We could line the room's circumference with Gothams!
What about the Paradigm SUB2? 4500W RMS on a 220 line. 6-10"woofers. More air moving capacity than a Gotham.
They don't get the same amount of press, but I bet in a head to head, they would do just fine against the Gothams. Plus, I like their symmetrical radial design..
They both get the same exceptional editorial reviews.
What about the Paradigm SUB2? 4500W RMS on a 220 line. 6-10"woofers. More air moving capacity than a Gotham.
They don't get the same amount of press, but I bet in a head to head, they would do just fine against the Gothams. Plus, I like their symmetrical radial design..
They both get the same exceptional editorial reviews.
Be interested to know, from the acoustic guru's here, how multiple smaller or less powerful subs can work around room mode and other problems-
i haven't used a true subwoofer in years for hi-fi, although i still have a few languishing, including one of those old Velodyne ULD 18's that the size of a smart car!
The avantgarde uses a woofer cabinet, but since it covers more than just the deep bass and crosses over in the neighborhood of 140hz, i don't think of it as a true subwoofer.
i haven't used a true subwoofer in years for hi-fi, although i still have a few languishing, including one of those old Velodyne ULD 18's that the size of a smart car!
The avantgarde uses a woofer cabinet, but since it covers more than just the deep bass and crosses over in the neighborhood of 140hz, i don't think of it as a true subwoofer.
What Gary said . Damn >> I am in utter agreement with you.
Lloyd
One gotham willnot be as good in term of smoothness of response as say two F 113 or 112... laws of physics and all that. Think of more subwoofers as a way to smooth out irrgularities in response rather than sheer output... In the here in now except for superlative speakers with serious power subwoofers columns like the Genesis, Evolution, Nola, etc. I can't conceive any system without subwoofers regardless of the FR of the main speakers .. I have come to understand that the only way to have adequate full range response in most any rooms is to have several subs ... Subjectively even the midrange and the highs improve when the lows are well reproduced.. In the vast majority of cases .. One subwoofer regardless of its capacity won't do as well as more subs.. I really think and have done in my previous system with speakers that went flat in my room at 25 Hz with serious output (MG 20.1)...
Take this as an opportunity try with your dealer with two or three lesser subs while yours is being repaired or replaced..Be patient learn as much as you can.. You can always open up a thread on this it would help all of us rather than debating ad infinitum on digital vs analog
. While there is a lot of debate about subs and integration the reality is that subs such as the JL Audio and the Paradigm provide sufficient controls more so than most other to integrate with anything including ESL and other exotics. I repeat seconding the Paradigm less expensive than the Gotham and its equal inmany ways and there are other serious subwoofers with less press and maybe pedigree that can work as well in your situation.. The foremost and one of the best subs around at any price IMHO the Seaton Submersive . mark Seaton is a fellow WBF member and with him sales goes beyond shipping you a product and the man knooooows his stuff. His subs are much less expensive yet take a back seat to no commercial subs around nd their price is so sane, around $2000, as to give you pause (in an high end audiophile context anyway ) ...This is an opportunity to look into the fabulous world of proper bass reproduction once you go multi subs you can't go back, ask Steve Not a knock on REL, good subwoofers but the JL Audio , Paradigm and Seaton are IMHO a step above and way more flexible
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
I agree and yes there are some terrific threads here on just that very information but in the new setup I am doing a pair of F113's and possibly a 3rd sub not necessarily a JL Audio
Gents,
Thank you. I totally hear you on this point, and i am in no doubt about your being correct. I do not have the room (i do, but not really)...but what i DO like is that the current Velodyne i have is more variable than the current version. And that variability IS more important to me than the ultimate power or definition...it gives me better chances of creating the seamless blend. And so, in some respects, getting a second Velodyne DD18 might make more sense...compatible with same EQ softward and daisy-chain-able. And if i want ultimate power...could get a Signature 1812 second-hand which uses the same software.
Thank you. I totally hear you on this point, and i am in no doubt about your being correct. I do not have the room (i do, but not really)...but what i DO like is that the current Velodyne i have is more variable than the current version. And that variability IS more important to me than the ultimate power or definition...it gives me better chances of creating the seamless blend. And so, in some respects, getting a second Velodyne DD18 might make more sense...compatible with same EQ softward and daisy-chain-able. And if i want ultimate power...could get a Signature 1812 second-hand which uses the same software.
How does the setup of the JL Gotham work?
The reason i ask is that what i like about Velodyne is that it gives me the ability to:
1) change the high-pass crossover level from 20hz to 200hz,
2) rolloff from 0db to 48db to blend that crossover point
3) It also gives me 8 frequency markers i can move up and down the spectrum and either boost or decrease by 8db. you just select the marker...move it up or down the frequency spectrum and move it up 8db or down 8db in 1db increments.
4) change phase
5) memorize up to 6-7 individual pre-settings (i only made 2...music or film)
The reason i ask is that what i like about Velodyne is that it gives me the ability to:
1) change the high-pass crossover level from 20hz to 200hz,
2) rolloff from 0db to 48db to blend that crossover point
3) It also gives me 8 frequency markers i can move up and down the spectrum and either boost or decrease by 8db. you just select the marker...move it up or down the frequency spectrum and move it up 8db or down 8db in 1db increments.
4) change phase
5) memorize up to 6-7 individual pre-settings (i only made 2...music or film)
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Thanks, Steve. I remain sure JL Gothams are the ultimate. i am also looking into possibly Velodyne 1812 Signature...but given that it uses 18" woofer for low end below 60hz and 12" woofer everything above 60hz...and i cut off the sub at 40hz...i am not sure it makes any sense.
I am telling you...48 hours with no subwoofer (and i have Wilson X1/Grand Slamms)...and i can categorically confirm there is nothing, but nothing...and i mean NOTHING...like deep, controlled, effortless bass. And i am NOT (or correction: NO LONGER) someone who cranks music. In fact, i noticed my current volume is 22...double what i normally play at...and i know for a fact it is because of that perpetual desire for 'oomf' many people search for and often end up going louder and louder to try to get it. With the sub perfectly tuned in...i am super-happy at volume 8-11 (cranking at 28) because the entire frequency spectrum is pitch perfect tight, controlled...even at low volumes.
...they are picking it up tomorrow and [hope] to be able to fix it within 2-3 days and be back next week. hope so...
...they are picking it up tomorrow and [hope] to be able to fix it within 2-3 days and be back next week. hope so...
It would be interesting to know at what frequency your Wilson's roll off in your room. An adjustable sub is great for fine tuning and smoothing out the bass response even if your main speakers go deep. Especially if your main speakers don't have adjustable bass.
Mark Seaton
WBF Technical Expert (Speaker & Acoustics)
Don't forget the other benefit that many are OK with inserting some device capable of applying some electronic correction to just the subwoofer. This can be a huge benefit in getting a subwoofer to play nice / seamlessly integrate with a 2ch system. Add a measurement system for less than many spend on cables or isolation devices, and you can even see what happens with all the different possible subwoofer locations.
Yes, I agree. Subs with built in eq and measurement mic do afford more precision and ease of integration. I didn't mention it as the OP already has such an animal.
Thanks Audioarcher and Mark Seaton - i have not measured...but i have listened to numerous different recordings which play through various levels of bass across the lower spectrum...mainly i listen for 'the bleed' where i can feel the bass smudge. while good subs set up well have loads of other benefits to sound...when i focus intently on the blending...i often mute the sub and turn it back on to see if there is any bleed/smudge...or whether i am just getting properly balanced kick (to my ears).
the variability of the Velodyne with its 'internal EQ' has been very helpful in that regard.
In my Fathom f113 owners manual it says it can!
The manual shows suggested room locations for 1, 2, 3, or 4 subwoofers.
I guess you could start doubling up for 2, 4, 6 or 8!!!!!!
If you want five you may have to go slumming with only four, or bite the bullet and get 6 or 8.
Steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
You need to put your specs on Gary.I wasn't talking number of subs but rather answering the bullet points to his 5 questions
No idea...but cost was little. They picked up and delivered within a couple of days and it has been perfect. The good thing is it appears to be some kind of short in the amp...but because their repair guy knows what he is doing...he did not need to replace the inner amp unit...which would have required losing the computer component as well and thus all my settings. (This is what Velodyne said might need to be done. Fortunately not in my case.)