I know that over the last year or whenever it was that Frank appeared on WBF, lots of people have called him out on the outrageous statements he has made. I don’t know if anyone has so clearly called out Frank as terryj has. I have to admit it was pretty funny. Here are my favorites from Terryj:
Well thankyou..I think!
I deliberately try and reign myself in
on this forum, it (along with Home theatre shack-which I rarely visit anymore) is one of the more polite ones. That does NOT mean contrary views cannot be expressed, but never has it descended to that of many other forums.
A BIG plus in my book. I am not usually this polite or restrained. Well, let's just say it would not be hard to find a 'different me' on other forums at the moment!!
However, can I make one small quibble with your choice of 'favs'?? Whilst those few are most certainly applicable within the context, the MOST important point (I feel) I raised was the question of whether or nor Frank would have come back and retracted his claim (which he admitted was incorrect) about cables being affected by vibrations in an audible way.
That was not addressed, even slightly.
And we 'wonder' why the audiophile BS is ever present, why the all pervading miasma get's repeated over and over.
Recently my *upset* has been over intellectual dishonesty on forums,
from whatever camp. Which is why I chose to target THAT particular example of intellectual dishonesty and moral bankruptcy in this thread.
That it was left alone is telling.
That frank has taken my comments with (thankfully) good humour is just a bonus. I leave it to others to note the parts he chooses to address and those he leaves alone and so make their own conclusions.
It may not be a "huge" problem but it can be audible: it is at least one reason that many people can't get live level sound from their systems without distortion, as Tim mentioned above. This phenomenon is certainly accepted, but blamed on various factors like driver overload and room acoustics, and so the true causes of these problems are not addressed.
Again, the rhetorical technique I pointed out earlier. You start with *can be*, then subtly change it to *true causes*. How can it be a 'can be' initially, yet become a true cause subsequently?
And, by your own admission here and elsewhere, you HAVE NOT addressed anything to do with drivers and room acoustics. The well understood limitations of your drivers (for but one example) is well known to all here, except for you it seems.
On a slight side track, I note that all the people who talk the same language as myself as regards getting good sound all have had to do major tweaking inside and outside of the gear. At the moment it is not possible to purchase a "solution" over the counter, though some companies like Spectral are starting to achieve excellent results because the people within understand the need for extreme fussiness. So unless one has the desire to play the obsessive game, or pay the money to a company with the right attitude then one's chances of getting optimum results are pretty slim ...
Frank
Frank, WHAT language? A language implies that the concepts can be gotten across to others! You yourself couch things in 'maybes', 'possiblys' and could be's.
And, I'd hazard that each and every one of you who speak in half understood nebulous terms are
talking about different hazy concepts.
There IS no 'language'!
That's because he's from Oz, blokes here don't take prisoners when they decide to give someone a bit of a whack. Plus, I've met terry once, quite some time ago, and don't worry, he's got plenty of attitude ...
Frank
Well yes, and I think we tend to say what we mean, none of this bullcrap 'hinting and alluding' that we ofen see. If you want to say it, SAY it. Don't hint, don't prevaricate etc.
That can at times come across differently to someone reading it in america (say).
None-the-less, you have me at a rather large disadvantage...I cannot quite place
you. Are you certain you have not mistaken me for someone else??
Please clear this up, if only for the reason that I now feel rude by not remembering you! Then again, you might only need to say 'a word' and I'll go 'oh, THAT frank' or summat.
