What does the source sound like...

[microstrip]

Why have you made up your mind to listen to only one horn system, a system you haven't heard? Even those who know a lot about horns don't do that.

Different ways of living this hobby, surely. Anyway I will always rule out unobtainium and elitism. My ears do not deserve them.

 

[bonzo75]

Different ways of living this hobby, surely. Anyway I will always rule out unobtainium and elitism. My ears do not deserve them.

Who suggested unobtanium?

 

[bonzo75]

Different ways of living this hobby, surely. Anyway I will always rule out unobtainium and elitism. My ears do not deserve them.

Well you can also live this hobby without ever auditioning anything but that is clearly not your objective. If you were the kind of guy who had said I just plan to audition one speaker, one TT, one CD player, it would have made sense. Clearly you are not. The reason I don't approve of such posts is that as a frequent poster providing advice, you should either do so responsibly or not do so. This "I will only demo one random horn" is a very typical post from you, unfortunately.

 

[andromedaaudio]

You are a trained lifter if you use the correct cable lifters in your system

Exactly, that requires training, and audiophiles are similar except that they usually hurt themselves often but that's the process.

Lol

Sorry i couldn't help myself i know your answer was directed at another post

 

[Gregadd]

"Easy to play difficult to master"

 

[ddk]

Sorry you think so. Fortunately most people are interested in discussing the high-end and understand it with the help of scholars, designers, dealers and manufacturers.

It's not the discussion or understanding of high end which is the issue, the difference is us (don't mean me personally but everyone you've been arguing with in this thread) and what we have or not have done with the wheel, in this case is stereo and sound reproduction. "THE scholar" can't do view vs the doers and accomplishers!

david

 

[caesar]

Interesting thread.... we won't know what the source sounds like unless we are at the recording sessions and the sound is captured by a competent and "educated" recording engineer.

 

[caesar]

On the subject of training, why do so many of these audiophiles who spend hundreds of thousands on their box speakers and big SS amps, end up listening only to handful of "perfect" but relatively, musically insignificant audiophile recordings...

"Keef don't go", Diana Krall "case of you", Rickie Lee Warnes, Stevie Ray Tin Pay Alley , etc., and Qobux playlists full of complete drek?

 

[caesar]

On the subject of Natural Sound, anyone understand what it is , without visiting DDK and experiencing his systems?

For those who have visited, did your understanding change after you experienced his systems?

 

[microstrip]

It's not the discussion or understanding of high end which is the issue, the difference is us (don't mean me personally but everyone you've been arguing with in this thread) and what we have or not have done with the wheel, in this case is stereo and sound reproduction. "THE scholar" can't do view vs the doers and accomplishers!

david

Fortunately all the people I have been debating have something to add , agree or disagree with my views. You are the one who prefers to attack the messenger than debating the message.

Fortunately the scholars I addressed are real doers and acomplishers - they directly or indirectly helped millions of people to enjoy better sound reproduction.

 

[ddk]

Fortunately all the people I have been debating have something to add , agree or disagree with my views. You are the one who prefers to attack the messenger than debating the message.

Not really Francisco it's the message which I fundamentally disagree with but it's also obvious that messengers matter, otherwise why bring up "the scholars"?

david

 

[microstrip]

Well you can also live this hobby without ever auditioning anything but that is clearly not your objective. If you were the kind of guy who had said I just plan to audition one speaker, one TT, one CD player, it would have made sense. Clearly you are not. The reason I don't approve of such posts is that as a frequent poster providing advice, you should either do so responsibly or not do so. This "I will only demo one random horn" is a very typical post from you, unfortunately.

I see our difference - I am not speaking of demoing one horn. I do not have any affective connection with equipment type , brand or model. There is a system that includes an horn speaker I would like to listen, not just only because of the horn but for the overall system and history of the system and the owner writings I read since long.

I try not to post advice on equipment, but feel free to post my opinions on my preferences. And surely, I like to discuss the why's of others advice and opinions.

BTW, my sentence was "There is one horn system I would like to listen in Europe - and it is from a WBF member." And it was not random, so no demo, no random, sorry. Just learning, to use a word that pleases a lot of people in this forum!

 

[microstrip]

Not really Francisco it's the message which I fundamentally disagree with but it's also obvious that messengers matter, otherwise why bring up "the scholars"?

david

First by honesty and integrity - these were their ideas, not mine. Second, many people who read this forum know about their work, are interested and can discuss it. And third, I am always happy to learn from those who deeply know these works better than me and can correct me.

 

[ddk]

First by honesty and integrity - these were their ideas, not mine. Second, many people who read this forum know about their work, are interested and can discuss it. And third, I am always happy to learn from those who deeply know these works better than me and can correct me.

The point was that the messengers matter to you and you're not interested in an opposing view, thank you for clarifying.

david

 

[Gregadd]

Millions of people? I guess I grossly underestimated the size of the audiophile community. That is even more so when you divide them into different schools of thought but then again we Americans tend to have a limited view of the world.

 

[microstrip]

Millions of people? I guess I grossly underestimated the size of the audiophile community. That is even more so when you divide them into different schools of thought but then again we Americans tend to have a limited view of the world.

These people did not carry research aiming at audiophiles - just on vulgar stereo listeners. As you wisely say, the size of the audiophile community does not motivate researchers.

 

[ddk]

On the subject of Natural Sound, anyone understand what it is , without visiting DDK and experiencing his systems?

For those who have visited, did your understanding change after you experienced his systems?

Read what @the sound of Tao wrote in #68, that's basically the short and long of it. @PeterA has addressed it in several of his posts in this and his system threads too.

david

 

[Gregadd]

These people did not carry research aiming at audiophiles - just on vulgar stereo listeners. As you wisely say, the size of the audiophile community does not motivate researchers.

I don't think that is what I meant at all. It appears to me they are obsessed with audiophiles and are hell bent on saving us from ourselves. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[tima]

"Easy to play difficult to master"

Schuman’s Fantasy in C Major ?

 

[Gregadd]

Between the two standards-fidelity to the source and fidelity to real music in real space- both appear to be relatively unknown to all but the creator and witnesses. In fact is there any real difference in the standards.? Certainly there may be a disparity in the execution. No one .is suggestion an intentional departure from the real thing?